Topic: question about what type of Ai is allowed here

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BorkAi

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Alright so today I learned that an Ai animation that is posted here that is based of a traditional drawing is not allowed, I made an animation that starts off with an image i own and paid for and have permission to put into Ai, but since the animation is not 100% created in Ai it is deemed not allowed to post. My question is this...

If i trained a Ai on a specific character using that characters art, and then post generated animations that are based on that trained data, does that break the posting rules? I have in my gallery 1 animation left since the rest have been blocked for what are imo BS reasons.

So to break it down further. are we only allowed to post ai generated stuff here that is 100% ai generated, it cannot be based off of or trained from a traditional art piece do i have that right? why is the animation of the milk shooting chimera ok? its based on a bunch of traditional images of the character.

Cannot post the animations here because the ai art posted here cannot be based off a drawing, but i cannot post the animations on e621 either because they only allow ai generated backgrounds and nothing else.

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KalethOrebiter

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borkai said:
Alright so today I learned that an Ai animation that is posted here that is based of a traditional drawing is not allowed,

The deletion reason is that there is Trace of another artist's work: No mention of being deleted for using a trad artwork as a base.

There is no rule that state you can't post AI generated video of a trad artwork.

BorkAi

Member

kalethorebiter said:
The deletion reason is that there is Trace of another artist's work: No mention of being deleted for using a trad artwork as a base.

There is no rule that state you can't post AI generated video of a trad artwork.

it may not mention that. but that is why it was deleted i spoke with the mod and they pointed to the upload rules that state:

Traditional artworks: Human-created art is not permitted.
Mixed creations where a human has edited the AI art is allowed.

so why was my animation removed? i used Image 2 video to create it. the img that was used is a traditional drawing, but the rest of the frames in the animation are all generated from that 1 frame.

i was told this by the moderator

"While we appreciate the upload, our site only allows AI-generated artwork. Since the piece you uploaded was originally traditional art that was later animated or modified with AI, it falls outside our content scope.
Even if you purchased the original artwork, we still have to stick to our submission guidelines to keep things consistent across the site."

so if your ai image is not 100% ai, you cannot post it ? does this count for trained generations? does this mean i cannot post any animation i make?

KalethOrebiter

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borkai said:
i was told this by the moderator

Well Jelloponies is e6ai lead admin, so you have it right from the highest authority. I'm pretty sure an addendum to the rules is incoming to reflect the decision made in your case.

BorkAi

Member

kalethorebiter said:
Well Jelloponies is e6ai lead admin, so you have it right from the highest authority. I'm pretty sure an addendum to the rules is incoming to reflect the decision made in your case.

ohh boy im causing changes, all because i wanted to make a stupid lil lewd animation lawl

KalethOrebiter

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borkai said:
ohh boy im causing changes, all because i wanted to make a stupid lil lewd animation lawl

Your contribution to the site is appreciated

BorkAi

Member

kalethorebiter said:
Your contribution to the site is appreciated

Thanks, im just trying to make lil lewd animations and post them. tons of people love them , many people ive shown these lil animations too tell me they are hot and I ask them to tell me if its stupid or dumb or looks like slop, and they say no. So i am confident in my stupid lil animations.

and it still begs the question. whats teh different between an img2video generation. and a trained checkpoint generation. both are originated from traditional artwork. so what does that mean? why is one ok and not the other. is it because one you cannot "see" the traditional work? if i remove the very first frame from my img2video generation. does that make it "100% ai generated" now because you cannot "see" the first frame of the animation that is the "traditional artwork frame"

you can see how this is getting real stupid real quick

isnt every single image posted on this site technically derived from traditional artwork, so why does img2video generation get the shaft?

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anonymous director

Janitor

Turning someone’s traditional art into any kind of AI video or img2img is not allowed, period. This has ALWAYS been the case — it’s just still worded as “tracing.” This rule does not care for who the owner or creator is, either or will get the image removed.

What you’re confusing this with are LoRAs, which are a completely different topic and have no relation to what you’re bringing up.

Jelloponies

Admin

Rules state:

* Traditional artworks: Human-created art is not permitted.
**  Mixed creations where a human has edited the AI art is allowed.
* img2img of traditional artworks:: Human-created works processed through img2img that retain clearly identifiable elements of the original will be removed.

Since this seems to be causing confusion I added img2vid.

img2img/img2vid of traditional artworks:: Human-created works processed through img2img/img2vid that retain clearly identifiable elements of the original will be removed.

BorkAi

Member

jelloponies said:
Rules state:

* Traditional artworks: Human-created art is not permitted.
**  Mixed creations where a human has edited the AI art is allowed.
* img2img of traditional artworks:: Human-created works processed through img2img that retain clearly identifiable elements of the original will be removed.

Since this seems to be causing confusion I added img2vid.

img2img/img2vid of traditional artworks:: Human-created works processed through img2img/img2vid that retain clearly identifiable elements of the original will be removed.

If i do an img 2 vid generation of a video that originated from a traditional art piece, but i delete the first frame of the video so that the image that was used to start the img 2 video generation is never seen, only "generated" frames. doe sthis count as an ok video to post? This is what im gonna do, I am going to delete 5,10, whatever it takes until the video slightly shifts off the original image, then im gonna cut those frames off. would I get insta flagged for that?

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KalethOrebiter

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borkai said:
If i do an img 2 vid generation of a video that originated from a traditional art piece, but i delete the first frame of the video so that the image that was used to start the img 2 video generation is never seen, only "generated" frames. doe sthis count as an ok video to post? This is what im gonna do, I am going to delete 5,10, whatever it takes until the video slightly shifts off the original image, then im gonna cut those frames off. would I get insta flagged for that?

Yes you would, and eventually you'll either be unable to upload because the way the post allowance works, or you'll get ban for wasting janitors' precious time.

BorkAi

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kalethorebiter said:
Yes you would, and eventually you'll either be unable to upload because the way the post allowance works, or you'll get ban for wasting janitors' precious time.

ok well i dotn want to get banned thats why im trying to get clarification on what is allowed. So if i do a img 2 vid generation its ok as long as the beginning of the video doesn't look too much like the original image right?

KalethOrebiter

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kalethorebiter said:
Yes you would

Yes you would get insta flagged for that. That's what I meant to say. Cutting some frames to hack your way around the rule will not change the result: the post will get taken down.

From what I understand of the rules and way the staff enforce the them: just don't try to sneak trad art.

BorkAi

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im still not clear on what is actually allowed then. and im not trying to "sneak" anything im just trying to figure out what the actual rules are on this subject. it seems very loosey goosey gray area. All I want to do is make animations with my art that i own and have permission to make animations with.

Ok So then you say i would get insta flagged. what would NOT get me insta-flagged? if i do img2video, and the art style of the video is similar to the starting image. does that mean all the frames are no good and would get flagged? or does it mean that as long as the video doesnt look exactly like the base image on the first frames of the video its ok? where is the line. i need to know where the line is. I am not the only one who is making stuff like this and its going to be a bigger issue as more img2video stuff comes out and allows for people to make long animations based on a seed image.

like what does "img2img/img2vid that retain clearly identifiable elements of the original will be removed." actually mean? does it mean the entire video cannot look like the base image in any way? or does it mean that once the frames in the video no longer are placed like the base seed image, then its ok?

KalethOrebiter

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borkai said:
im still not clear on what is actually allowed then. and im not trying to "sneak" anything im just trying to figure out what the actual rules are on this subject. it seems very loosey goosey gray area. All I want to do is make animations with my art that i own and have permission to make animations with.

From what I understand —and I can be way wrong — you want your trad art image to be the base of an animation, and the lead admin told you no, so now you try to find a workaround.

Personally, I know no work around. period. it's that simple.

Here I made a flow chart to help you with the loosey goosey gray area

+-------+
| Start |
+-------+
   |
   v
+-------------------------+
| Is trad art involved?   |
+-------------------------+
   | Yes               | No
   v                   v
+---------+     +-------------------------+
| Rejected|     | Is the animation crap?  |
+---------+     +-------------------------+
                     | Yes        | No
                     v            v
                  +---------+  +----------+
                  | Rejected|  | Approved |
                  +---------+  +----------+

BorkAi

Member

kalethorebiter said:
From what I understand —and I can be way wrong — you want your trad art image to be the base of an animation, and the lead admin told you no, so now you try to find a workaround.

Personally, I know no work around. period. it's that simple.

Here I made a flow chart to help you with the loosey goosey gray area

+-------+
| Start |
+-------+
   |
   v
+-------------------------+
| Is trad art involved?   |
+-------------------------+
   | Yes               | No
   v                   v
+---------+     +-------------------------+
| Rejected|     | Is the animation crap?  |
+---------+     +-------------------------+
                     | Yes        | No
                     v            v
                  +---------+  +----------+
                  | Rejected|  | Approved |
                  +---------+  +----------+

im not trying to find a workaround. im trying to understand where the line is. he did not say specifically that you cannot upload a video that is based on an image. because all images made using ai are based on an image in some way. what he said was it cannot resemble the base image. so what does that mean exactly? clarification is needed. "img2img/img2vid of traditional artworks:: Human-created works processed through img2img/img2vid that retain clearly identifiable elements of the original will be removed." this does not specifically say that an img2video will be removed. it says if it has clearly identifiable elements of the original image it will be removed, So what does that mean exactly! it can be interpreted many ways.

if the entire video looks like the "style" of the base image. does that mean it is not acceptable? or does it mean if the video contains frames that look like the base image frame, then its not acceptable. Im not trying to find a work around. im just trying to understand what the fookin rules mean!

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sergalbutt

Janitor

borkai said:
im not trying to find a workaround. im trying to understand where the line is. he did not say specifically that you cannot upload a video that is based on an image. because all images made using ai are based on an image in some way. what he said was it cannot resemble the base image. so what does that mean exactly? clarification is needed. "img2img/img2vid of traditional artworks:: Human-created works processed through img2img/img2vid that retain clearly identifiable elements of the original will be removed." this does not specifically say that an img2video will be removed. it says if it has clearly identifiable elements of the original image it will be removed, So what does that mean exactly! it can be interpreted many ways.

if the entire video looks like the "style" of the base image. does that mean it is not acceptable? or does it mean if the video contains frames that look like the base image frame, then its not acceptable. Im not trying to find a work around. im just trying to understand what the fookin rules mean!

I'm gonna take what Kaleth said and dumb it down for you.

Is traditional art the starting point of the generation? ➡ Yes ➡ Rejected

And so you don't attempt to mince my words, if you use a traditional art piece, img2video, remove a few frames, it changes nothing, because step zero was still the piece of traditional art.

KalethOrebiter

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Okay, so first, I want to apologize for antagonizing you.

Now. For me, the rules are clear and the "grey zone" would be a handful of hypothetical edge cases. However, if you do end up in that grey area, a decision will be made at that moment, not now.

My humble advice is this: better go 100% ai generated and steer clear of falling in those situations; don't take the risk.

BorkAi

Member

kalethorebiter said:
Okay, so first, I want to apologize for antagonizing you.

Now. For me, the rules are clear and the "grey zone" would be a handful of hypothetical edge cases. However, if you do end up in that grey area, a decision will be made at that moment, not now.

My humble advice is this: better go 100% ai generated and steer clear of falling in those situations; don't take the risk.

no the thing is. if you guys will not allow the type of animations i make to be posted here then i simply will not post them. i will find a site that allows the posting of them and that will probably end up being the site that everyone end sup flocking too because it doesnt have these kind of rules.

Also I never understood why you were giving me such a shitty attitude, you apologize for antagonizing me but i do not accept your apology, your an ass

BorkAi

Member

sergalbutt said:
I'm gonna take what Kaleth said and dumb it down for you.

Is traditional art the starting point of the generation? ➡ Yes ➡ Rejected

And so you don't attempt to mince my words, if you use a traditional art piece, img2video, remove a few frames, it changes nothing, because step zero was still the piece of traditional art.

Im sorry but i just think this is re-tard-ed

Jelloponies

Admin 
if you guys will not allow the type of animations i make to be posted here then i simply will not post them. i will find a site that allows the posting of them

This seems like a win/win.
Please be respectful to other users of the site, including staff.

Since you've gotten your answer and this isn't really going anywhere I will lock the thread.