FIRST... I want to say that I understand that the process for approving images IS NOT malicious, so my attack on Janitors is not personal. Its from a stand point of FRUSTRATION. I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this issue. This is about principal, not about the ability to make another image.

Here's my issue specifically:

The upload guidelines SPECIFICALLY STATE (besides the word GUIDELINE and not ABSOLUTE): "This section provides visual examples and explanations on what staff will look for when approving posts. Your post will get deleted if it contains enough of these errors."

My question is HOW MANY errors are ENOUGH? Key word being ERRORS... as in MULTIPLE. Not just ONE! But if ONE error is a Janitor's definition of "enough," then perhaps the "Upload Guidelines" page should be renamed into "Upload Totalitarian Rules."

TO BE FAIR... I HAVE had a couple pictures deleted on me that I will say were fair calls after they were explained, since I missed the errors myself... but I am on the fence on the deletion of one of my most recent pics, and reject the judgement on another.

Pic I reject the judgement on: https://i.postimg.cc/DwrDCVZX/Black-Kitty-Squatting.jpg
I figured this was NEAR perfect enough for the Professional Nitpickers (no offense meant to any Janitor), and it gets deleted because: "Artifacting or Color Anomalies - very poor eyes quality."
No... I don't think certain things were taken into account... even from a practical standpoint, the eyes could be explained away as feline biology. The eyes are reflective. Eyes are moist... and depending on the angle of the eyes and the light sources, it can create "Color Anomalies." There's the DISTANCE from the character. If you're 15 feet away from somebody, you're NOT going to see the person's irises in PERFECT high-def detail. Then there's the position of the head, angle of the eyes that could show more sclera (eye whites) than the other eye (which is NOT an error)! As to "artifacting..." where? If it's there, it's so damn small I don't see it. If the only issue was her eyes... then I see no issue. It's a subjective NITPICK.

Pic I'm on the fence about: https://i.postimg.cc/wjSsWP1D/00030-4240815401.png
Narrative reason for deletion was "Anatomical anomalies - strangely warped eyes, weird holes in the nose, and unintentional 3 fingered left hand?" Let's break it down...
1. Strangely warped eyes - I disagree. She is looking over her left shoulder. Her right eye is therefore further away from the viewer and partially hidden behind her nose. There is nothing wrong with her left eye. The edge of her iris is bordering the corner of her eye. Not an error. The sclera, iris, and pupil look fine to me.
2. Weird holes in the nose - MAYBE. The dark spot on her nose at the border of where her fur stops and the skin begins... I can see if somebody can perceive it to be a hole. I don't see it as a hole... just a bit of raised fur creating a dark spot between the fur and skin of her nose.
3. Unintentional 3 fingered left hand - NO. Her hand is partially hidden from view. The space between her ring finger and middle finger can be replicated in real life. I can do that with both hands as the Vulcan "Live Long and Prosper" symbol. (making a V with the ring and middle finger). You can't see her index finger or thumb entirely, because they're obscured by upper thigh. Even if it might look like her middle finger and index finger are merged... she's a BLACK feline, and shadows can play a role in that illusion.

The "maybe" has me on the fence with this pic.

Point is... whatever the judgement on either picture... there NEEDS to be a TOLERANCE level for Pete sake. "if it contains enough of these errors" implies a level of tolerance... but there seems to be NONE. A picture could be 98.99% flawless, but NOPE, that little 1.01% earns you a DELETION and sends you back to the drawing board? Ridiculous.

It SEEMS to me like some of the opinions made, are subjective knee-jerk reactionary judgements, instead of thinking things through. I'm NOT saying all Janitors do this... but damn!

So... are some janitors conflating "Guidelines" with "Totalitarian rules" with ZERO tolerance for a SINGLE tini-tiny-itty-itty-bitty error without thinking about practical circumstances within the picture? Or are some just not reading the line in the "Guidelines" that says "Your post will get deleted if it contains enough of these errors."?
(Again... key words "ENOUGH" and "Errors -{plural} = a little leeway/tolerance.)

"Guidelines" are not guidelines if they leave no room for the slightest imperfection.

Leaving the choice to an ELITE few to decide if a picture stays or goes is a bad play IMO... because it leads to asinine nitpicking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If people don't like something, let them down vote it into oblivion.

P.S.
AI isn't perfect. It can't get certain features 100% error free 100% of the time.

nobodyinparticular56 said:

Pic I reject the judgement on: https://i.postimg.cc/DwrDCVZX/Black-Kitty-Squatting.jpg
I figured this was NEAR perfect enough for the Professional Nitpickers (no offense meant to any Janitor), and it gets deleted because: "Artifacting or Color Anomalies - very poor eyes quality."
No... I don't think certain things were taken into account... even from a practical standpoint, the eyes could be explained away as feline biology. The eyes are reflective. Eyes are moist... and depending on the angle of the eyes and the light sources, it can create "Color Anomalies."

I'm not an expert, but In the first picture she has completely different pupils in both eyes. Like not even colors we talking about size and shape.

On second pic you have some holes on top of the nose and while we don't see whole left hand we can clearly how big fingers and distance between them are. I really don't think you can fit five of that fingers on a normal hand.

nobodyinparticular56 said:

P.S.
AI isn't perfect. It can't get certain features 100% error free 100% of the time.

Yes, that's why you need to learn inpaint, Photoshop or just bruteforce 100 pics with one prompt until you get good result.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
FIRST... I want to say that I understand that the process for approving images IS NOT malicious, so my attack on Janitors is not personal. Its from a stand point of FRUSTRATION. I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this issue. This is about principal, not about the ability to make another image.

Here's my issue specifically:

The upload guidelines SPECIFICALLY STATE (besides the word GUIDELINE and not ABSOLUTE): "This section provides visual examples and explanations on what staff will look for when approving posts. Your post will get deleted if it contains enough of these errors."

My question is HOW MANY errors are ENOUGH? Key word being ERRORS... as in MULTIPLE. Not just ONE! But if ONE error is a Janitor's definition of "enough," then perhaps the "Upload Guidelines" page should be renamed into "Upload Totalitarian Rules."

TO BE FAIR... I HAVE had a couple pictures deleted on me that I will say were fair calls after they were explained, since I missed the errors myself... but I am on the fence on the deletion of one of my most recent pics, and reject the judgement on another.

Pic I reject the judgement on: https://i.postimg.cc/DwrDCVZX/Black-Kitty-Squatting.jpg
I figured this was NEAR perfect enough for the Professional Nitpickers (no offense meant to any Janitor), and it gets deleted because: "Artifacting or Color Anomalies - very poor eyes quality."
No... I don't think certain things were taken into account... even from a practical standpoint, the eyes could be explained away as feline biology. The eyes are reflective. Eyes are moist... and depending on the angle of the eyes and the light sources, it can create "Color Anomalies." There's the DISTANCE from the character. If you're 15 feet away from somebody, you're NOT going to see the person's irises in PERFECT high-def detail. Then there's the position of the head, angle of the eyes that could show more sclera (eye whites) than the other eye (which is NOT an error)! As to "artifacting..." where? If it's there, it's so damn small I don't see it. If the only issue was her eyes... then I see no issue. It's a subjective NITPICK.

Pic I'm on the fence about: https://i.postimg.cc/wjSsWP1D/00030-4240815401.png
Narrative reason for deletion was "Anatomical anomalies - strangely warped eyes, weird holes in the nose, and unintentional 3 fingered left hand?" Let's break it down...
1. Strangely warped eyes - I disagree. She is looking over her left shoulder. Her right eye is therefore further away from the viewer and partially hidden behind her nose. There is nothing wrong with her left eye. The edge of her iris is bordering the corner of her eye. Not an error. The sclera, iris, and pupil look fine to me.
2. Weird holes in the nose - MAYBE. The dark spot on her nose at the border of where her fur stops and the skin begins... I can see if somebody can perceive it to be a hole. I don't see it as a hole... just a bit of raised fur creating a dark spot between the fur and skin of her nose.
3. Unintentional 3 fingered left hand - NO. Her hand is partially hidden from view. The space between her ring finger and middle finger can be replicated in real life. I can do that with both hands as the Vulcan "Live Long and Prosper" symbol. (making a V with the ring and middle finger). You can't see her index finger or thumb entirely, because they're obscured by upper thigh. Even if it might look like her middle finger and index finger are merged... she's a BLACK feline, and shadows can play a role in that illusion.

The "maybe" has me on the fence with this pic.

Point is... whatever the judgement on either picture... there NEEDS to be a TOLERANCE level for Pete sake. "if it contains enough of these errors" implies a level of tolerance... but there seems to be NONE. A picture could be 98.99% flawless, but NOPE, that little 1.01% earns you a DELETION and sends you back to the drawing board? Ridiculous.

It SEEMS to me like some of the opinions made, are subjective knee-jerk reactionary judgements, instead of thinking things through. I'm NOT saying all Janitors do this... but damn!

So... are some janitors conflating "Guidelines" with "Totalitarian rules" with ZERO tolerance for a SINGLE tini-tiny-itty-itty-bitty error without thinking about practical circumstances within the picture? Or are some just not reading the line in the "Guidelines" that says "Your post will get deleted if it contains enough of these errors."?
(Again... key words "ENOUGH" and "Errors -{plural} = a little leeway/tolerance.)

"Guidelines" are not guidelines if they leave no room for the slightest imperfection.

Leaving the choice to an ELITE few to decide if a picture stays or goes is a bad play IMO... because it leads to asinine nitpicking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If people don't like something, let them down vote it into oblivion.

P.S.
AI isn't perfect. It can't get certain features 100% error free 100% of the time.

Hello friend!

Your totalitarian dictator Jello here!

I'm here to tell you that I understand it can be frustrating to have an image you uploaded removed but rather than spending all this energy defending posts with clear errors perhaps you should put that same energy into fixing them instead?
We understand that AI isn't perfect but the quality guidelines on the site exist for a reason and all the errors you brought up here can be remedied if you spend just a little extra time on the image.

Regards

nobodyinparticular56 said:
AI isn't perfect. It can't get certain features 100% error free 100% of the time.

That's true, but that's also why inpainting exists. When you notice your image has some errors you can use that to correct it. You can also greatly aid the process by using an image editor to lay down some edits then inpaint over that to blend them into the image. Things like cloning fingers so hands stay symmetrical with each other, cloning eyes so you have one uniform eye pattern to work with, putting some blotches down to cover up things in the image you don't or that you want recolored etc. Fluffscaler has a great guide going over inpainting.

https://rentry.org/fluffscaler-inpaint

Another good guide written by Denatural https://denitr.wixsite.com/denatural/post/recap-of-how-i-generally-make-my-ai-picture

vvartech said:
I'm not an expert, but In the first picture she has completely different pupils in both eyes. Like not even colors we talking about size and shape.

On second pic you have some holes on top of the nose and while we don't see whole left hand we can clearly how big fingers and distance between them are. I really don't think you can fit five of that fingers on a normal hand.

Yes, that's why you need to learn inpaint, Photoshop or just bruteforce 100 pics with one prompt until you get good result.

Appreciate the input. The right eye on the first pic to me looks like the light sources are refracting in her eye, obscuring her pupil. Ever look into a cat's eye and see it refract like a marble? Or the pupil reflect light back in a shade of green?

In the second pic, if you zoom out to its original size, the black spot on the nose doesn't subjectively take away from the quality of the pic. But pictures are subject to the opinions of the ones viewing them, so there's that. Zoomed in as big as PostImg can make the image, look closer at the hand. The curve of the thumb disappears in front of her, and her middle and index fingers are pressed together.
So, while I appreciate the input, I would respectfully disagree. The finger space in the middle of her fingers can be replicated in part or in full in real life: https://legendary-digital-network-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/13130941/vulcan-salute-spock-nimoy.jpeg

Now in your imagination, make that a black furry hand and put it in the same lighting conditions as the cat woman pic.

jelloponies said:
Hello friend!

Your totalitarian dictator Jello here!

I'm here to tell you that I understand it can be frustrating to have an image you uploaded removed but rather than spending all this energy defending posts with clear errors perhaps you should put that same energy into fixing them instead?
We understand that AI isn't perfect but the quality guidelines on the site exist for a reason and all the errors you brought up here can be remedied if you spend just a little extra time on the image.

Regards

Thank you for understanding the frustration. I GET the quality guidelines, I do, it reduces the amount of shit posts coming onto the site. But as stated above... it's the principal more so than the images. The wording itself says "Enough" and "Errors." which imply a tolerance level. The way the images are deleted from the site, the more accurate wording should be:

"If the errors detract from the quality of the image even in the most minuscule amount, we will delete it." instead of "Your post will get deleted if it contains enough of these errors."

No offense to the Janitor who just deleted another picture of mine, but the character had a slightly over pronounced tendon flex behind her right knee... which happens in real life with real people... an anatomical feature of the humanoid body. But that's the reason it got deleted. The so-called error wasn't detracting from the quality of the image: https://i.postimg.cc/Cx11WpsP/00186-306881543.png Tiny imperfections that look biological that don't detract from quality shouldn't be cause for deletion.

I reiterate... I'm talking principal, using the pic as an example. I'm pointing out the absurd perfectionist level of scrutiny that will get a pic deleted.

Not trying to be rude, but I call it as I see it. I'm direct, and just trying to have a conversation here.

I know it's not the intent, but it doesn't make it any less true that it makes people who post here feel like plebeians being judged by the out of touch rich people when there's ZERO tolerance for the slightest mistake.

On a lighter note... it's funny that you just owned the "Totalitarian Dictator" thing, even though I wasn't directly calling anybody that. :)

aislopper said:
That's true, but that's also why inpainting exists. When you notice your image has some errors you can use that to correct it. You can also greatly aid the process by using an image editor to lay down some edits then inpaint over that to blend them into the image. Things like cloning fingers so hands stay symmetrical with each other, cloning eyes so you have one uniform eye pattern to work with, putting some blotches down to cover up things in the image you don't or that you want recolored etc. Fluffscaler has a great guide going over inpainting.

https://rentry.org/fluffscaler-inpaint

Thank you, I'll check that out.

jelloponies said:
Another good guide written by Denatural https://denitr.wixsite.com/denatural/post/recap-of-how-i-generally-make-my-ai-picture

And thank you too, I'll check it out also.

I’d say e6ai has much lower requirements compared to e621.
You can reach that level after about a week of learning Stable Diffusion, plus around 15 minutes of manual work on the image itself (not counting generation time).
On e621, you’d be hard pressed to make a passable image within those same timeframes.

denatural said:
I’d say e6ai has much lower requirements compared to e621.
You can reach that level after about a week of learning Stable Diffusion, plus around 15 minutes of manual work on the image itself (not counting generation time).
On e621, you’d be hard pressed to make a passable image within those same timeframes.

I'm not quite sure about that. I did some digging around on this very topic about passable imagery... and I'll give you what I think is a PERFECT example of the "nitpickery" I'm talking about... but THIS image passed muster because Jello approved it. I by all means DO NOT WANT this pic taken down... but any other janitor would look at this picture: (https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech) and say "Poor quality eyes" because neither iris is symmetrical, nor pupil perfectly round, or neither pupil is the same sizes as the other... or just plain "warped." The LAY-PERSON doesn't care about that crap, and most of the people browsing this site... are lay-persons. (Again, not being rude, I'm just saying it as I see it.) If you can't see it in the eyes, then view the original, so it's full size, and look at the eyes carefully. I personally adore this kitty girl.

(Edit)
I've been experimenting with SD for a bit, with A1111 and my RTX 4080. Still working out some kinks.

nobodyinparticular56 said:

No offense to the Janitor who just deleted another picture of mine, but the character had a slightly over pronounced tendon flex behind her right knee... which happens in real life with real people... an anatomical feature of the humanoid body. But that's the reason it got deleted. The so-called error wasn't detracting from the quality of the image: https://i.postimg.cc/Cx11WpsP/00186-306881543.png Tiny imperfections that look biological that don't detract from quality shouldn't be cause for deletion.

The philosophy is pretty much. If it's a small error then just fix it, if it's an error that's too big to be able to fix then don't upload the image.
Using an image editing software this is how fast you can fix the leg of the image you linked: https://i.imgur.com/8RpNqiK.mp4

I'll take your input to heart though and consider updating the text in the uploading guidelines to minimize future confusion. Just have a little patience with me since I like giving these things thorough thought before I change something.

Regards

jelloponies said:

I'll take your input to heart though and consider updating the text in the uploading guidelines to minimize future confusion. Just have a little patience with me since I like giving these things thorough thought before I change something.

Regards

Hell yeah. Thanks. That's mostly what I'm trying to get at.

But hey... we both posted within a near few moments of each other. I'd like to get your take on the post above.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
I'm not quite sure about that. I did some digging around on this very topic about passable imagery... and I'll give you what I think is a PERFECT example of the "nitpickery" I'm talking about... but THIS image passed muster because Jello approved it. I by all means DO NOT WANT this pic taken down... but any other janitor would look at this picture: (https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech) and say "Poor quality eyes" because neither iris is symmetrical, nor pupil perfectly round, or neither pupil is the same sizes as the other... or just plain "warped." The LAY-PERSON doesn't care about that crap, and most of the people browsing this site... are lay-persons. (Again, not being rude, I'm just saying it as I see it.) If you can't see it in the eyes, then view the original, so it's full size, and look at the eyes carefully. I personally adore this kitty girl.

(Edit)
I've been experimenting with SD for a bit, with A1111 and my RTX 4080. Still working out some kinks.

(https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech)

In regards to this post. It's grandfathered, making this safe from deletion. Any post that is older then 3 months is considered grandfathered.

Also take note that our rules were slightly different 5 months ago, and has been updated since then.

angry_puppy said:
(https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech)

In regards to this post. It's grandfathered, making this safe from deletion. Any post that is older then 3 months is considered grandfathered.

Also take note that our rules were slightly different 5 months ago, and has been updated since then.

I remind you, I'm telling it as I see it, so don't take this as being rude...

This only just speaks to my point. The fact that this MASTERPIECE snow leopard girl had to be grandfathered in and would have been deleted if uploaded today for such insignificant imperfections in the eyes, speaks volumes of the tight fisted, perfectionist micromanagement of the site.

Do you REALLY think that the 182 upvoters and the 319 people who favorited the pic give a damn if one iris is slightly bigger than her other one by 2 or 3 pixels? Or that one pupil is differently shaped than the other?

Pics like these are animated/cartoon style images. Actual animated cartoons, (movies or TV shows), don't have perfect features on their characters all the time. Why should a cartoon style picture be held to a standard above that of a television show? Do you watch cartoons to pick them apart for imperfections, or do you watch them to ENJOY them? The current way you do things, I can bet $100 if this pic were uploaded today, it'd be deleted, just because of stupid micro nitpicks on the eyes.

I'm sorry but somebody has to risk speaking truth to power, and sometimes truth hurts... you guys have to loosen up a pubic hair and consider factors like the style of picture, and what the CONSUMER expects from them. I am a consumer as much as anybody here. I like standards... but YEESH..

Photo-Realistic pics deserve higher scrutiny when it comes to quality.

Cartoon style pics ought to have slightly looser standards when it comes to imperfections, because it's expected from cartoon images and shows.

Comic style pics aught have slilghtly less than cartoon style pics, because it's expected even more so. Read a comic lately?

The vibe here looks ON THE SURFACE... like rather than posting pics to share between us for OUR enjoyment... we're actually posting pics to appease the staff that run the site.

YES, we can try to fix stuff, and even the stuff we fix can get deleted with the NEXT insignificant detail... so come on! Let's bring it back down to Earth, man.

Oh... and thanks for approving my reupload.

my brother in christ what is this mega rant lmao. This isn't as serious as you think it is in your head.

If you want to freely post your stuff, just do it on another platform. Deviantart has no restrictions and look how much slop there is there. I post my own slop on my own telegram channel, and I pick the good ones to post here. If it gets deleted? I either ignore it or I just go into photoshop and fix it in 5 minutes, no qualms about it. It is quite literally that simple.

delken said:
my brother in christ what is this mega rant lmao. This isn't as serious as you think it is in your head.

If you want to freely post your stuff, just do it on another platform. Deviantart has no restrictions and look how much slop there is there. I post my own slop on my own telegram channel, and I pick the good ones to post here. If it gets deleted? I either ignore it or I just go into photoshop and fix it in 5 minutes, no qualms about it. It is quite literally that simple.

It's the principle of the matter.

And I'm glad you used the word "slop" because I don't like slop myself. But there seems to be a disconnect between what's slop, and what's not. Miniscule imperfections that don't take away from the overall quality, (like in the snow leopard girl picture I used as an example) would be treated like slop and deleted if it were posted today and not grandfathered in.

That picture is far from slop. For the lack of a better word, in a hypothetical situation... to delete that snow leopard girl picture if it were newly posted today, would be "asinine." Grandfathered or not, there's nothing in that picture worth deleting it.

I don't know if you TL;DR'd everything that I've posted so far, but I think you missed the point that I was trying to make about the principle of the matter, versus the importance of the pictures themselves.

I don't like slop myself

What did I do :(?

delken said:
my brother in christ what is this mega rant lmao. This isn't as serious as you think it is in your head.

If you want to freely post your stuff, just do it on another platform. Deviantart has no restrictions and look how much slop there is there. I post my own slop on my own telegram channel, and I pick the good ones to post here. If it gets deleted? I either ignore it or I just go into photoshop and fix it in 5 minutes, no qualms about it. It is quite literally that simple.

AI YIFF IS SRS BSNS

In actual seriousness though, there is never a way to get people like this to understand. I've tried. Twice.
Instead of learning, taking the time to better their artform - to not make slop - they think the space belongs to them, and some places aim for a degree of quality through curation.

Anyway...

I was going to keep my mouth shut and just watch the inevitable meltdown from afar, but if there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who can't take constructive criticism nor advice.
Understand that the people posting in this thread are trying to help you.

Firstly,

nobodyinparticular56 said:
AI isn't perfect. It can't get certain features 100% error free 100% of the time.

See, that's the thing about AI. Sure, it's not perfect by itself, but it also offers you the toolset to get as close to "100% error free" as you possibly can.

Just as vvartech said

vvartech said:
Yes, that's why you need to learn inpaint, Photoshop or just bruteforce 100 pics with one prompt until you get good result.

It's really that simple. And while "Photoshop" is particularly mentioned here, I'll leave no room for semantics and add that there are plenty free art and image editing programs available, and one that is rather popular with AI directors is Krita, which even has an generative AI plugin, making it the ultimate imagegen toolbox.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
...
Not trying to be rude, but I call it as I see it. I'm direct, and just trying to have a conversation here.

No, you're not. You're having a hissy-fit because you didn't get your own way. Welcome to a gallery curated for quality.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
On a lighter note... it's funny that you just owned the "Totalitarian Dictator" thing, even though I wasn't directly calling anybody that. :)

It's funny you don't understand irony. Jello's the site admin. You called the rules "totalitarian".
Now the joke isn't funny because it had to be explained :(

nobodyinparticular56 said:
Photo-Realistic pics deserve higher scrutiny when it comes to quality.

Oh, so like the two pics of yours you posted as examples?

nobodyinparticular56 said:
YES, we can try to fix stuff, and even the stuff we fix can get deleted with the NEXT insignificant detail... so come on!

What you've described here is learning how to do better, which is counter to a good chunk of the rest of your argument.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
It's the principle of the matter.

There's that irony again.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
... I think you missed the point that I was trying to make about the principle of the matter versus the importance of the pictures themselves.

If you didn't think the pictures had any importance, you wouldn't have made such a fuss.
It would've taken less effort to go "yeah, it was a bit bad, thanks for telling me how I could improve", yet here we are.

I had a lot of pics deleted when I started posting here again after the guidelines were updated, and I didn't kick up a stink.
I asked for a clearer explanation, and I got it. I didn't start arguments, I took what was explained to me and learned from it, and I feel like my gens have only improved in quality since then.
And some of my posts still get deleted. I still miss things sometimes. And if I can't see the thing/s the staff pinged about, I ask, and most of the time it results in me going "I can't believe I missed that 🤦‍♂️"

Anyway, there's my own rant about your rant. I'd like to hope you take something away from what everyone else has said here, but I know how this usually plays out.
I'll end this with a final quote from one your posts above, because I think it's apt.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
... and sometimes truth hurts...

sergalbutt said: No, you're not. You're having a hissy-fit because you didn't get your own way. Welcome to a gallery curated for quality.

This has been discussed over and over and over again. Quality is subjective. We take opinion of a mod team over whatever amount of people who favorited and upvoted the picture. Doesn't matter if picture had 10 favs, 100, 1000 - if mod team decides the "quality" is not "good enough", it will get deleted.
Not even talking about any examples from this topic.

sergalbutt... you ASSUME way too much, and you ENTIRELY SKIRTED around the point. WAY TO GO with taking me out of context too! That always goes well. I'm not going to waste time picking apart everything you said, but I AM going to respond to some, and point out something that you avoided like the PLAGUE just to make yourself look righteous.

sergalbutt said:
In actual seriousness though, there is never a way to get people like this to understand.

Instead of learning, taking the time to better their artform - to not make slop - they think the space belongs to them, and some places aim for a degree of quality through curation.

First of all..."people like this" shows just how out of touch you really are. Secondly, I ALREADY acknowledged that there is room to improve by accepting the linked help that was given to me. So you can get off your high horse. I already appeased the perfectionist gods with one picture I edited and re-uploaded already.

sergalbutt said:
It's funny you don't understand irony. Jello's the site admin. You called the rules "totalitarian".
Now the joke isn't funny because it had to be explained :(

Assumption. I did get the joke. I was just not going to be the person to call Jello that.

sergalbutt said:
What you've described here is learning how to do better, which is counter to a good chunk of the rest of your argument.

No it's not. While I acknowledge there's room for improvement... YOU don't seem to want to address the issue I've been tackling because you seem to be on Team "Absolute perfection or nothing" yourself.

sergalbutt said:
If you didn't think the pictures had any importance, you wouldn't have made such a fuss.
It would've taken less effort to go "yeah, it was a bit bad, thanks for telling me how I could improve", yet here we are.

Thing is... I've privately acknowledged when a janitor made a good or fair call. Ask Angry_Puppy, to name one. While pictures ARE the name of the game here... part of the point I'm making here is what's "perfect" for one person, is subjectively not to another. The system is flawed in that regard.

So this leads to what I'm going to point out that you entirely skirted around. There's a pic that I DID NOT MAKE that I used as an example of what would be deleted TODAY if it were posted NOW. YOU never touched on it... you simply took ONE quote of mine from that post and ignored the rest. So either you know I'm right about it, or you're looking down from upon high about it. (https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech)

Again, I will make the point that it's the perfect example of a cartoon style image style masterpiece. It was "grandfathered" in, and is protected from deletion. BUT... in the hypothetical that it were uploaded today... TELL me this perfect kitty girl wouldn't be deleted. Janitors would be chomping at the bit to delete it SIMPLY on the eyes alone. There's NOTHING wrong with it for the style of picture it is, and in my opinion, it's not slop and wouldn't deserve deletion even if it were a new image made today. 319 people favorited that picture, including myself. While it's protected by the grandfather clause... those are numbers that say, "we love it and don't give a damn about the tiny imperfections in the eyes, because they don't detract from the picture style or quality at all," whether they realize it or not. The layperson isn't going fishing for the tiniest pixel being out of place and going "Oh this isn't perfect, I don't like it."

The quality bar is set WAY too DAMN high. THAT'S the point. Room for improvement is one thing, but once a pic is at a specific threshold where the average Jane or Joe Public can say "Wow, I LIKE THAT" (like the Snow Leopard girl)... let it pass if the style of image allows for it.

sergalbutt said:
Oh, so like the two pics of yours you posted as examples?

More than two... and YES... like mine. I won't be a hypocrite and not hold myself to the bar I set. If my photo-realistic style pics have something blatantly wrong with them that can't be explained away though biology or light sources, I will acknowledge it and clean it up.

If you want to call this a hissy fit... go right ahead. I know well enough that this is not that... but just like bum holes... everybody has opinions too.

If only NoBodyInParticular56 knew how to inpaint.. this could be solved so quickly..

slop said:
What did I do :(?

I get the joke... you didn't do anything. LOL.

slop said:
If only NoBodyInParticular56 knew how to inpaint.. this could be solved so quickly..

I don't know if I'm not saying something specific that's not getting the point across when people bring up editing like Inpainting... like I'm trying to do... it's like I'm hitting a brick wall... an anti-undestanding barrier that I can't break. The point I'm trying to make... inpaintin/photoshopping/whatever... even with all of that combined... ALL THINGS being considered... a picture can be close to perfect as possible yet still rejected. I mean, I don't know how else to convey the meaning of what I'm trying to communicate. I know it's not just me getting pics deleted... but come on... because there's a slight discoloration in the eyes, or one iris is bigger by a pixel or something, or one pupil is bigger than the other, or what another individual thinks an eye should look like, you gotta delete it? (not you specifically) that's bonkers. I'm inpainting a picture right now, after putting one of the inpainted versions up just a bit ago, it got deleted because of the eyes... again, and I know my character's eyes were nothing like the examples in the guidelines.

I'm not going to post it or call it out at the moment, because I'm going to try to get the janitor who keeps rejecting it to take the image and point out exactly what he/she is looking at.

slop said:
If only NoBodyInParticular56 knew how to inpaint.. this could be solved so quickly..

All in all, this might not be a productive thread, but it's sure as hell entertaining to read LMAO

nobodyinparticular56 said:

I’ll be honest with you: this isn’t the first time, and it won’t be the last time, this conversation comes up after someone’s picture gets deleted.
Nothing is going to change. The “parent” admins of e621 couldn’t care less about what happens here, and the e6ai mods and admins think they know best.
So your only options are to relax and deal with it, or post somewhere else.

delken said:
All in all, this might not be a productive thread, but it's sure as hell entertaining to read LMAO

Oh by far, this thread is a waste of my time, nobodyinparticular56's time. People think that we "rUlE tHe SiTe WiTh a IrON Fist" but all we do is uphold a very basic standard for anybody, no matter the amount of upvotes or favorites. People act like the standards here are super strict and that we're oppressing creative freedom. But in reality, we're just deleting raw-gen slop that people put 0 effort into. (Pressing generate with 1girl, Anthro, cat. Is not effort). Some people are just so art blind and refuse to accept that I suppose.

You have the power to create anything in a button click and yet they choose to complain when their raw-gen scribbles get deleted instead of just... fixing it.. and learning how to fix it.. ?

People also like to act like we delete things out of spite or whatever. It takes 1 Dmail to get a full picture on why it was deleted all of nobody's work that did get deleted was bad, it was all AI errors not "oh it's a style"

nobodyinparticular56 said:

So this leads to what I'm going to point out that you entirely skirted around. There's a pic that I DID NOT MAKE that I used as an example of what would be deleted TODAY if it were posted NOW. YOU never touched on it... you simply took ONE quote of mine from that post and ignored the rest. So either you know I'm right about it, or you're looking down from upon high about it. (https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech)

You're bringing up that image but even in the event it was uploaded after the new guidelines and was deleted, its easily fixed in under 1 minute. And in you're case since you have a 4080, that's fixed in 10 seconds or less. It's not a crazy herculean task to do a simple face fix for your two gens you brought up in this thread. Just put those guides linked here into practice and you'll see how easy it is to fix minor mistakes like that in a gen. You can get sharper details quickly and easily or can fix bigger mistakes without having to endlessly reroll the same prompt over and over again. If you manually intervene with an image editor and combine that with inpainting you can also add a ton of extra customization to gens that way too.

slop said:
Oh by far, this thread is a waste of my time, nobodyinparticular56's time. People think that we "rUlE tHe SiTe WiTh a IrON Fist" but all we do is uphold a very basic standard for anybody, no matter the amount of upvotes or favorites.

I'm not trying to detract into personal attacks here. But I want to get an opinion from a janitor specifically so let me ask you something... setting MY early pics that got deleted aside... If these pics got uploaded today and "grandfathering" didn't exist... (https://e6ai.net/posts/111115?q=user%3ASlop) and (https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech) ... you would delete them because of the variances in the eyes alone, despite them being cartoonish characters... true or false?

aislopper said:
You're bringing up that image but even in the event it was uploaded after the new guidelines and was deleted, its easily fixed in under 1 minute. And in you're case since you have a 4080, that's fixed in 10 seconds or less. It's not a crazy herculean task to do a simple face fix for your two gens you brought up in this thread. Just put those guides linked here into practice and you'll see how easy it is to fix minor mistakes like that in a gen. You can get sharper details quickly and easily or can fix bigger mistakes without having to endlessly reroll the same prompt over and over again. If you manually intervene with an image editor and combine that with inpainting you can also add a ton of extra customization to gens that way too.

I get what you're saying. Believe me I do... but being able to easily fix it is NOT my point. Per the style of that image... as it is in its current form, BARRING grandfathering, it shouldn't HAVE to be fixed in that hypothetical situation. It's perfect the way it is.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
I'm not trying to detract into personal attacks here. But I want to get an opinion from a janitor specifically so let me ask you something... setting MY early pics that got deleted aside... If these pics got uploaded today and "grandfathering" didn't exist... (https://e6ai.net/posts/111115?q=user%3ASlop) and (https://e6ai.net/posts/99618?q=user%3Avvartech) ... you would delete them because of the variances in the eyes, despite them being cartoonish characters... true or false?

You seem to be very fixated on an older post for some reason. Let's use a more recent post from the same user: 124544. This user doesn't have any deleted posts. Their work isn't the worst; some of their posts could use some touch-ups, but they are clearly passable.

If you want a post from around the same time, check out 100428. This post is a better example from the same user. Regarding the eyes, they are clear, and the user clearly ran a basic ADetailer or inpainted them to fix the issues... so, again, this entire thread is nothing but unproductive yapping about a non-existent issue.

We all make mistakes and miss things. Instead of making a thread to talk about how unjust and evil the elites are, why not just flag the post? Was your post deleted for a vague reason? Send us a Dmail! We're happy to help. It's no sweat off our backs to give you a better answer, but please note that it's not our job to tell you everything and guide you step by step. We expect people here to have some artistic standards and the ability to recognize when something needs work.

slop said:
You seem to be very fixated on an older post for some reason. Let's use a more recent post from the same user: 124544. This user doesn't have any deleted posts. Their work isn't the worst; some of their posts could use some touch-ups, but they are clearly passable.

If you want a post from around the same time, check out 100428. This post is a better example from the same user. Regarding the eyes, they are clear, and the user clearly ran a basic ADetailer or inpainted them to fix the issues... so, again, this entire thread is nothing but unproductive yapping about a non-existent issue.

We all make mistakes and miss things. Instead of making a thread to talk about how unjust and evil the elites are, why not just flag the post? Was your post deleted for a vague reason? Send us a Dmail! We're happy to help. It's no sweat off our backs to give you a better answer, but please note that it's not our job to tell you everything and guide you step by step. We expect people here to have some artistic standards and the ability to recognize when something needs work.

Right, gotcha... but I don't think I'm articulating something properly, because the very first sentence in this response shows that you're not getting what I'm saying.

I'm fixated on those two images because... let's pretend I'm looking at them from a standpoint as some shmoe coming onto the site for the first time and seeing those images for the first time... within the HYPOTHETICAL scenario that they were NOT older, and uploaded today... and say I favorite Your picture, and Avv's... then suddenly they're deleted right after. My reaction as that Shmoe... would be "WTF? There's nothing wrong with those pics. Why did they get deleted?"

So please... indulge me. PRETEND that the two pics I linked to you were uploaded today, and not 3+ months ago. Would you or would you not delete them because of the eyes alone?

Because your answer Yes or No, would then make or break whether or not the issue exists. Forget about easily fixing anything... judge them as if they were the final product in a recent upload.

nobodyinparticular56 said:
Right, gotcha... but I don't think I'm articulating something properly, because the very first sentence in this response shows that you're not getting what I'm saying.

I'm fixated on those two images because... let's pretend I'm looking at them from a standpoint as some shmoe coming onto the site for the first time and seeing those images for the first time... within the HYPOTHETICAL scenario that they were NOT older, and uploaded today... and say I favorite Your picture, and Avv's... then suddenly they're deleted right after. My reaction as that Shmoe... would be "WTF? There's nothing wrong with those pics. Why did they get deleted?"

So please... indulge me. PRETEND that the two pics I linked to you were uploaded today, and not 3+ months ago. Would you or would you not delete them because of the eyes alone?

Because your answer Yes or No, would then make or break whether or not the issue exists. Forget about easily fixing anything... judge them as if they were the final product in a recent upload.

We're not pretending. The rules and guidelines are simple. We don't ask a lot from a user and we expect the minimum amount of effort put into your work. If you cannot follow these guidelines your post will be removed. You're welcome to try and try again and ask "why" was post removed for better insight to help you out some. This is what separates us from other boorus and deviantart, they do not have a quality control and if they do its extremely minor.

If you're really wanting me to indulge you, if a post you liked gets removed because it didn't fit the guidelines... uh.. womp womp? The OP can improve it or fix the issues and everyone wins, I don't understand why this is a question or problem.

slop said:
We're not pretending. The rules and guidelines are simple. We don't ask a lot from a user and we expect the minimum amount of effort put into your work. If you cannot follow these guidelines your post will be removed. You're welcome to try and try again and ask "why" was post removed for better insight to help you out some. This is what separates us from other boorus and deviantart, they do not have a quality control and if they do its extremely minor.

If you're really wanting me to indulge you, if a post you liked gets removed because it didn't fit the guidelines... uh.. womp womp? The OP can improve it or fix the issues and everyone wins, I don't understand why this is a question or problem.

Honestly I mean no offense. But I suspect that my question wasn't answered because if you said "Yes" then I could point out that there is a level of unnecessary nitpicking involved, however minute... because I stand by what I said... I think those pics... INCLUDING YOURS, are fine they way they are.

The problem with people that nitpick... is convincing them that they do.

As entertaining as this forum was, I feel like it ran it's course. Locking the forum. Please do not make another one.