There have been some discussions, miscommunications, some misinfo and missed info here and there
And lots of people's opinions about the usage of Franchise if it should be copied as it is on e621 making a parellel to how its and has been used and making it easier for other folks who are already familiar with e621 tagging system and aliases/implications

Or to change the meaning and usage as copyright tag has been initially nuked when this website project for ai sided content allowance started and had to be built up from the ground again with the reintroduction of its usage and being renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems

Make up your thoughts and opinions down below

As for me
Just keep it like e621
It's that simple(to me at least)

flowersylveon said:
There have been some discussions, miscommunications, some misinfo and missed info here and there
And lots of people's opinions about the usage of Franchise if it should be copied as it is on e621 making a parellel to how its and has been used and making it easier for other folks who are already familiar with e621 tagging system and aliases/implications

Or to change the meaning and usage as copyright tag has been initially nuked when this website project for ai sided content allowance started and had to be built up from the ground again with the reintroduction of its usage and being renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems

Make up your thoughts and opinions down below

As for me
Just keep it like e621
It's that simple(to me at least)

Will talk it over with the team. This is something that we have been wanting to have handled and set up for a while.

We encourage civil discussion on this below and of course on tangential subjects elsewhere. Just be nice, everyone.

A quotation from Rainbow Dash, well known staff and long term admin from e621 who is also an admin around here

Because i feel like i should let this be public

I have had raised my point in 3 other topics now, which I will refer to for now because I've single-handedly spent a lot of time bring up valid arguments and got nothing in response in the previous topics that this matter was discussed, which was in: topic #300 and topic #385 and now the last topic #396, from literally an hour ago before this "new" post was created instead of responding to me. I'll leave the ones who care about my opinion and want others to counter those in a discussion to check in the meantime, instead of constantly creating new posts and ignoring each other's opinion.

I'll be happy to discuss those here, but I'm not gonna spend anymore of my time tonight to rush into discussion, that'll have to wait until tomorrow. Since it was last proven that BURs could be resolved by an admin under less than 24 hours after its creation (from topic #396), I can only hope that decisions here will not be hastily made again until at least a few others have expressed their opinion here, no matter how much time has passed.

flowersylveon said:
A quotation from Rainbow Dash, well known staff and long term admin from e621 who is also an admin around here

Because i feel like i should let this be public

RD on Franchise tag

Franchise is just our best guess name for franchise/theme/copyright, etc. Christmas and other holidays are in there, and they aren't copyrights or franchises. It's just the title we've given it. We could strip the name entirely and call it the purple category, which includes companys, themes, holidays, etc

Also please, either link your source if your intention is to speak on behalf of others in this forum as direct citation to what they said, or keep it to yourself and let the actual user express themselves here instead.

Quoting an admin especially claiming they approved or disapproved of something is considered backseat moderation and is not allowed here.

I'll just quote myself to bring back my arguments all on this thread again:

topic #300

As I've only found out about this after it got approved, I would like to formally request to revert the nintendo BUR, as fundamentally, Nintendo is a company, and not a franchise.

Copyrights, company names, which character is owned by who, doesn't have its place on e6ai. The copyright category first got removed for a reason when e6ai was created, and it was to wipe clean all implication to any copyright tags which would imply that AI art was subject to the same copyright laws as non-generative art.

AI art in most countries is not protected by ownership claims not is it recognized of intellectual property values, so putting copyright tags on generative media is both silly and has potential legal issues for the directors that uploads content here. Tagging copyrights has no meaningful value here, nor is it useful for AI training datasets, and it's certainly not useful for narrowing down content that we're searching for. Unless someone wants to discuss a valid reason why a company name tag should be automatically added to any character it belongs to, instead of only providing "Reason: Anything that is missing here please suggest" with no context as to why there should be such an implication, then it should be reverted back.

If users want to tag them manually on their on posts, they are free to do so. But forcing directors to upload here to have copyright tags on their AI-generated art is not okay. Nintendo does not own my ai-genned characters. I do not own my ai-genned characters. Nobody does.

If I wanna search for any pokemon content, I'm gonna search for pokemon. Not nintendo.

A company name is much too broad for narrowing down a search query when I already know a more specific tag I could search content for. If there's a use for you, good for you, I'm not stopping you from ever using the nintendo for tagging and searching if you wish.

My point is, I do not want copyright tags to be automatically added to all of my posts here simply because I'm being forced by the implication chain, especially since it can have negative legal repercussion to ever try to legitimize AI art as "copyrightable" under my own country's set of laws...

I'm not asking to remove the nintendo tag. Simply removing the implication. Because I provided a clear reason why any director would want to not have 'ownership claims' on their posts because of potential repercussions.

e6ai differs in many ways from e621: one of which is the lack of alternative AI-friend websites to host their content. E6ai is for some directors the best place to host and share their AI content without size/filesize/prohibited content restrictions. Therefore, it's the primary source of their post instead of having it linked from another website and "reposted" on that booru like e621. So if that content gets taken down for any legal reason in the future, then it may be lost forever.

I would also be in favor for changing nintendo's tag type to general as well though. To me, it just feels like people want to port out the old e621 system back on here rather than add useful tags to use to search for... Tag what you see; there should be no 'nintendo' tag unless there's an actual nintendo console shown in the image.

topic #385

Tagging video game consoles as franchises would be the same as calling vhs_player, dvd_player, blueray_player all different franchises...

It's not. It's a support media, and again has zero value to elevate that tag's importance on the same level as its fictional universe. Franchise tags even shows up "above" the character's name category tag, hence why it should be used sparingly. What next? Is Netflix a franchise? Amazon prime? CD-ROM?

And I'll add to this: why would a brand of shoes that may or may not be recognized as a copyright that a character just happens to be wearing in a tiny part of the image would be given more importance than even the character's name or any of the general use descriptive tags for searching and filtering? Species, body type, fetish tag, etc.

What if I want to use it in my negative filters... "Eww, nintendo characters, don't want to see that." *Puts nintendo in the negative search query or blacklist.* But then it ends up blocking posts that has 2 non-copyrighted nintendo characters that just happens to be gaming on a visible nintendo console... It missed the target of being useful here because it is too broad and ends up blocking more content that a regular user would expect by using it in the negatives.

topic #396

So let me show y'all exactly what we have in the "franchise" type tag now because we absolutely need to add copyright tags as franchises according to some users; internet memes that almost no one heard about, game studios, shoes brand, car brand, supermarket...: terrified_noot_noot, insomniac_games, 2k_games, adidas, adidas_logo, costco. Those are all copyright tags repurposed as franchise type as of right now... Nobody cares about elevating the importance of those tags. Copyright tags are everywhere; Technically, everything is copyrightable... Paper tissues? Oh well, that's Kleenex brand of course. So why are some copyright tags allowed and not others? That makes no sense...

And how would you even prove it's that exact "brand" with AI art, especially since AI is very bad at replicating text/logos. I've seen characters tagged as a rule34 character that ultimately looks nothing like the real character that the uploader tagged them as: Wrong fur color/fur pattern, wrong eye color, size? To me, it just look like a generic character that the director happened to put in the prompt and the AI model either didn't have training data on that character or simply could not replicate their physical features. Half of rocket_raccoon character tag just depict a generic raccoon because the AI failed to replicate the monotone brown fur that this character has because of its heavy bias to generate furries with a different color belly fur. And with an implication chain, a barely recognizable character would automatically add copyright tags in the franchise category just because someone put that character name in the prompt and just pollute the database with several wrong tags.

Furthermore, copyright tags dont't respect the Tags What You See policy of any booru archive site. There has always been an exception for anything that isn't general, but I don't see any valid reason being discussed here or anywhere else on this forum for making an exception for copyright tags on art that is essentially not even subject to copyright law protection under many juridiction. Who exactly wants this system back? We haven't had copyright elevated nor franchise tags for 2 years already, so who exactly does it even serve to pollute the database?

flowersylveon said:
And lots of people's opinions about the usage of Franchise if it should be copied as it is on e621 making a parellel to how its and has been used and making it easier for other folks who are already familiar with e621 tagging system and aliases/implications

Sorry, but who exactly do you include when you are mentioning that "And lots of people's opinions about the usage of Franchise" wants to have the old e621 copyright system back? Did they make their opinion known on this forum? On the Discord? In private message? How many? Why don't you let them express themselves rather than making it feel like there's already a consensus on the matter before even beginning the conversation. Your opening statement already has a heavy bias towards your own personal opinion. From my point of view, only you here care enough to mass update the current implication chain to force-include all the copyright tags back which all the wikis' info are currently missing.

flowersylveon said:
Or to change the meaning and usage as copyright tag has been initially nuked when this website project for ai sided content allowance started and had to be built up from the ground again with the reintroduction of its usage and being renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems

From my understanding, the meaning right now is that the new "purple category" wasn't renamed from "copyright" to "franchise" just to have it be treated exactly like the copyright category tag from e621. Because it starts to lose its usefulness when there's 5+ copyright tags in the special category and you can't even figure out which is an actual franchise, or more specific series (game name), internet meme, product brand, specific console, folklore or historical references, holiday... Everything is shoved in there and being given special meaning and any of these could be contested of its use depending on the interpretation of if it "look enough like the real brand" to be tagged as such.

Using forced copyright tags for artists makes sense because you know that most of these artist spend their own personal time getting actual reference material themselves from online photos or from IRL prompts to give it a fair chance to make it look similar to what they see using their own drawing skills. The use of copyrighted references which they do not own the rights to to take inspiration makes for a valid argument that you should specify for legal reasons that you're not trying to claim a copyrighted character to be your own original design instead, and then make money from it by selling your art.

Now in the case of ai art, I don't think that typing a couple of words in a prompt box and hoping that the AI will either use some related reference or not would be considered any considerable effort from the director's part to then impose a copyright tag on their gens through the implication chain when they upload what they claim. AI models are essentially a black box; there is no way to monitor its exact process (which references did it use from its database) to produce the final image. Arguably, those effort genners that goes through this process multiple times, through various AI techniques (inpainting, img2img, upscaling, manual editing, etc.) would put substantial effort to for example, make a character look exactly like it's supposed to look, would be justified to put a copyright tag because the AI or the director most likely used actual references to produce the final piece. And they would be encouraged to use copyright tags on their own gens if they wish to. Not being forced to; but because they know in the process that they've spend the effort to use outside reference material.

I will agree though that for holiday tags, I'm in favor of keeping those in the franchise category, as they are both useful for narrowing down the content you want for searching and it is also a useful tag to use as prompt for generating AI content. Also it respect the "Tag What You See" policy in the majority of cases.

...with the reintroduction of its usage and being renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems

Another exaggeration. That's not what happened. The new "franchise" nor the old "copyright" category tag hasn't existed for over 2 years on e6ai now until it was reintroduced back in December 2024. So it wasn't ever "renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems", it wasn't implemented in the code itself because there was simply no use nor near enough specific cases for them to justify the need for special tags at the time. Just because it's "like that on e621" should not be used an an argument because it is not valid. It's irrelevant. They are two different sites, with two different purposes.