What do we do when we come across art who's artstyle was clearly used to generate AI Art?
IDC if someone's artstyle was YOINKED for our benefit of AI
But shouldn't the artstyle of the artist be credited in some way, shape, or fashion?
Is it not just a LITTLE scummy when we know who's artstyle is being used to generate AI work

this is like the idea of mcdonalds chicken. We all know they're slaughtered but chicken nuggets taste good.

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This is clearly DimWitDog's artstyle, now, I'm not saying we gotta take it down or some shit. I'm just saying...that I know who's artstyle this is.
Shouldn't we at least do something to acknowledge it? There must be a tag category for/to catch this...Like idk "Copywrite artist style" for AI purposes. Like as if for franchises, memes, and brands

i'm not a smart girl but there are a few things

if one's database consists on literally just the art from one single artist that's kinda bullshittery, but also could not be the case and depending on who is generating just have their network mostly filled by that artist
this is taking the database's fault
the other one is considering that the one generating purposefully have a tag prompt of the specific artist/artstyle
which is a banable offense on Inkbunny for basically outright stealing(since it's close to tracing an artist), as on inkbunny they HAVE to input the prompts along with the submission that could go the same direction here by simply asking the directors for the prompt and what model they use, if it's a public one means we can try the same prompt, doesn't come out, the director is lying i guess?

but anyways, nothing on the rules that can say "nuh uh" unless the artist itself gets to speak with the admins about
or if they implement the same AI Rule as Inkbunny

The models being used to generate AI images, especially furry themed images, are based on data that was scraped from artists and photographers without any acknowledgement of their contribution, without being advised of their contribution, and without seeking their permission or compensating them in any way for their contribution.

Given that, the only reason from a user perspective to tag AI generated images with an "artist style" tag would be to either help a user find images in a specific artist style, or to allow a user to filter them out if desired.

I am not sure there is a demand for that ability.

It could lead to undesirable arguments based on a subjective opinion about how closely a particular image mimics a particular artist style.

We don't have any tags or any specific measures against posts that imitate a certain artstyle (prohibiting specific artstyles is pretty stupid, no matter how you look at it).
If you want to gather a certain artstyles, you can just make a Set with them, and include a link in it to the artist, who's the "owner" of the style.

technical-grid said:
We don't have any tags or any specific measures against posts that imitate a certain artstyle (prohibiting specific artstyles is pretty stupid, no matter how you look at it).
If you want to gather a certain artstyles, you can just make a Set with them, and include a link in it to the artist, who's the "owner" of the style.

that makes sense actually!
but time consuming to implament

At least 2 sites use the [artist]_(style) format
eg dimwitdog_(style)

• rule34.xxx
• aibooru

Maybe something similar?

_________
IDK if [artist]_(ai_style) refers to a consistent AI style
eg director_sunshine

as opposed to from one non-ai artist's style (eg Dimwitdog)

There's no reason to.
If someone draws an image in JN style, i've never seen someone tag him or "his style" on e621.

Could be useful for directors with wildly varying generation styles, but each one is clearly inspired by 1 main artist
like alucard_(director)

ayokeito said:
There's no reason to.
If someone draws an image in JN style, i've never seen someone tag him or "his style" on e621.

realism is a tag for artstyle on e621 ta depicts realism(or photorealism) it's both a tag and a meta tag from "traditional_media_(artwork)" and many others
it's a bit pointless to make a tag of someone's individual artstyle, specially because it's redundant and very useless to have a tag that maybe 1 or even 2 artists would have regardless of who they are, like, i have seen many and many people who tried to copy goonie-san artstyle but still would be kinda invalid
here? could be a maybe, just depends on the users or director if we are going to tag specific pieces as "artist"_(artstyle)
because, we can totally do that, it will all depends when a staff member will step in or a new rule gets to come

mintyflur said:
here? could be a maybe, just depends on the users or director if we are going to tag specific pieces as "artist"_(artstyle)
because, we can totally do that, it will all depends when a staff member will step in or a new rule gets to come

This will just generate extra tags that are unlikely to be used for anything other than creating drama. I struggle to imagine someone going to e6ai and thinking: "huh, i'm in a mood to see jay-naylor styled images today!".
On the other hand...

ayokeito said:
This will just generate extra tags that are unlikely to be used for anything other than creating drama. I struggle to imagine someone going to e6ai and thinking: "huh, i'm in a mood to see jay-naylor styled images today!".
On the other hand...

you say it will create drama but HOW...HOW will it even create drama? If people know the tag they'll use the tag, I don't see why it will generate any drama. If they don't want to use it, or betteryet, they don't know it then they don't have to use the tag. But to others who know the artstyle then it's obvious they would use the tag or if not create a tag. It's not like creating one more tag will harm e6ai. What even is the big deal with adding a few more tags to properly give artists some respect for their artstyle when people know that their artstyle is being replicated

ayokeito said:
"huh, i'm in a mood to see jay-naylor styled images today!".
On the other hand...

and you don't know if people will actually WANT this from an AI site. because people's curiosity is endless. Maybe on days I want to look at AI generated images in DimWitDog artstyle. Why would I waste my time making a SET when there would be a tag for it?
There are 7.X billion people on this planet and you can't really say a tag like that would be worthless for the perhaps millions who would be interested if not the thousands who browse this site. AI is reletively new and people have curious tendencies.. You're only looking at the glass half empty.

There is no problem with having extra tags. And since this is basically an AI Booru we may as well go the extra mile, IF someone is willing to take the extra first step

choombah said:
you say it will create drama but HOW...HOW will it even create drama?

same reason people jumped on me for tagging a post that let's say "had a very similar character", it was a lil mistake/misunderstanding that happened both in here and outside the website, but in this case the same fuss could be caused by artists who could be enraged by that and some artists i know wouldn't take a second thought to just shutdown all their galleries and taking down all posts on e621 on spot, since AI gonna replace them as much people here say, then why bother having art public since it's going to be scrapped by AI anyway? they could also just open a patreon or anything that has a paywall and only post teasers to promote their paywall place and never go public

this could create drama

by a lot

anyone is free to take the first step
the second step is either a staff will stop it or the artist's will enrage and then go to third step which is either then staff will make a rule or they do nothing and it will escalate by a lot

this is all speculation of course

choombah said:
You're only looking at the glass half empty.

i'm looking at the glass half full

mintyflur said:
this could create drama

It's not just you thinking that either. There's a reason why there's no official way to include the prompt with posted images: prompts often include artist tags.

terraraptor said:
It's not just you thinking that either. There's a reason why there's no official way to include the prompt with posted images: prompts often include artist tags.

same reason why in Inkbunny you should post the AI gen with the prompts as a rule and handpicking artist tags is controversial there but anyway

if directors start the culture to just
share their prompts in the description, because description can be anything, including prompts
it could be a way to integrate the search for artstyle and not cause drama(but there is still a chance to still cause it)
since you can search by description and the prompts would be in the description, there ya go, a way to do it and at least try to avoid problems

without any staff member coming to make any sort of statement both ways are somewhat valid, both including actual tags to tag the artstyle or just putting the prompts in the description and searching via description

Edit: actually i would say the description method is valid while the artstyle tag is in a gray area

choombah said:
you say it will create drama but HOW...HOW will it even create drama?

We've already had ~an incident~ with wrongful tagging of some random obscure OC.
This "style" tag will just make people run around the site, tagging random shit with "styles" they believe are "stolen".
There's a reason why there are no style tags on e621. It's absurd.
Alright, let's say i use 5 artists in my prompts (i don't). How are you going to proceed with tagging their "styles"? And will there even be enough resemblance of each to justify tagging?

Yeah, what others said. This would only cause unnesesary tagwars, and when original artists get involved, we'd surely get countless takedown requests. You already have plenty of examples on e621 whenever someone imitates someone else's artstyle or does some barebones tracing.
Posting the prompt in the description is just fine (just like Purrfectly does it)

choombah said:
Why would I waste my time making a SET when there would be a tag for it?

Making a Set takes literally like 10 clicks, or 1 minute, and adding posts to a set takes even less effort than adding a tag to a post. Not to mention the Mode:Add to Set which allows you to do it in bulk
Not to mention that a Set works similiarly to a tag, so posts within a specific Set can be searched by just typing the name of the Set (for example typing set:style_mila_engine in the search bar)

ayokeito said:
We've already had ~an incident~ with wrongful tagging of some random obscure OC.

oh hey they are talking about me

ayokeito said:
There's a reason why there are no style tags on e621. It's absurd.

because
every artist kinda has their own artstyle?
an artstyle is either from what you learned through the years or got taught(as going to university or something to learn drawing or something)
artstyle by artist is individual, comes down from years of muscle memory(because drawing is all about muscle memory) to also what they feel or their interests or their inspirations

but there are also some universal artstyle, anything that resembles realism or like the old days of furry community being either comic style(sonic mostly) or anime style but furry or even kawaii
besides realism which is very obvious, those others came from years of doing the same generic thing to become an artstyle, not saying is a bad thing as the examples i gave are industry ones, kawaii being mostly represented by hello kitty, anime being from a way to cut corners and generalize animation so it's possible to work on multiple places because of industry generalization, and comic style being directly revolved from the way some comics are made, because nobody in their right mind would chunk out a masterpiece by panel, so it's simplified and generalized or stylized, for this one i don't have much knowledge on history on the art side of furry to how they came from doing generalized art to start doing their own styles, so for lack of knowledge i will not go further on this

ayokeito said:
How are you going to proceed with tagging their "styles"? And will there even be enough resemblance of each to justify tagging?

people can miss the TWYS, e6 tagging is community based because everyone can go to a post and give their vision on the tags
and answering your question, yes it COULD have enough resemblance to justify tagging, just try to imagine 3 artists, A has 230 art, B has 270 art, and C has 1.3k art
which one do you think the prompts will get the resemblance of?
this is all a makeshift environment to give an example

technical-grid said:
You already have plenty of examples on e621 whenever someone imitates someone else's artstyle or does some barebones tracing.

"imitating" someone's artstyle isn't that much controversial, example for João Pereira Creations , it's a neat style right? now check Carlos Jurado Cartoons
Many would say it's just imitation but actually Jp and Cj are all brothers for the art and both acknowledge each other and are probably friends, since i have seen them both interact on Bsky
"imitation" can be funny, same thing for some art challenges that comes around to draw your character as multiple art style from different franchises

Now tracing is very much controversial for posting publicly, there is no problem for tracing if you acknowledge you are indeed tracing an artwork and show who you are tracing from, tracing is a way to learn how to draw and many many MANY artists have done tracing in the past as a form of learning, it can really help someone figure out some stuff by trying to take the same steps as another artists, gives you a vision of what the process of drawing feels like
the problem like i said is posting to public and going "hI i MaDe ThIs", when you just traced over, not only is just a bullshittery problem but depending on how much you do this and where you do this, it could leave to an actual copyright lawsuit, same way you can't just grab the Pokemon stories and literally copy paste it and changes everything that couldn't be related to pokemon or just have all the pokemon and rewrite as "your own", is the same shit, and depending how far you go on this, funny copyright will get to you, of course depending on the scale you do that

Edit: Oh yeah also please take note for the difference between imitation and inspiration, they aren't the same thing, i have been long enough around the art community in general and specially to the animation meme community to know that people do not know the difference between those and the amount of drama that has caused over the years

yes it COULD have enough resemblance to justify tagging, just try to imagine 3 artists, A has 230 art, B has 270 art, and C has 1.3k art

Yeah, right. Exactly why we don't need those tags on there. Each picture will become a dump of style tags of questionable validity.

choombah said:
"Copywrite artist style"

This is the moment you should have realized the problem before you made this post. There is no such thing as an owned art style. I am a Dimwitdog fan and began looking for ones that showed that style. Only to see a comment calling an image out for looking like it stole from an artist I had not heard of. I looked them up and oh, it looks more like their art style than Dim's. AI art even when prompted to be as close to someone's style as possible is still going to in the end be a mix. I tried sorting art I liked into styles and it fell apart so quickly. Even with standout styles like Dim's it does not work. I'd hate to see this site copy my failure. It's just not a possible task unless you're prepared for art to get 3 or 4 different "art style tags" and arguments over who it's closer to. None of them drew it, so it doesn't matter. Styles cannot be tagged, not by artist name.

However, I really hope something can be done about artist signatures being generated onto an image that they did not draw. Signatures are a legal area so it should be taken more seriously.

minus said:
However, I really hope something can be done about artist signatures being generated onto an image that they did not draw. Signatures are a legal area so it should be taken more seriously.

I would personally prefer all images with artists signatures or their leftovers to be removed right away. Removing a broken signature is a bare minimum. If you can't even bother with that, i don't think you're putting enough effort to share what you generate.