The thing is that I have a problem, it is that I don't know why these images that I uploaded were deleted for the reason that they did not have the standard artistic quality.

https://e6ai.net/posts/76675
https://e6ai.net/posts/76677
https://e6ai.net/posts/76712
https://e6ai.net/posts/76643
https://e6ai.net/posts/76642
https://e6ai.net/posts/76638
https://e6ai.net/posts/77382
https://e6ai.net/posts/77394

And the images look good and they didn't have any defects and I don't want to name anyone but the same person who deleted them but the images didn't look bad.

I haven't seen the pictures, but my general advice: Find a better site to post. Save yourself the headaches of dealing with incompetent and arbitrary moderation.

The most active janitor here keeps uploading photorealistic bestiality, minors in explicit or suggestive situations, deformed anatomy and generally low quality gens, while deleting other people's guideline conform posts at will.
They are not getting paid or anything. It's not like they need any qualifications. They get their confirmation from a loyal discord bubble, and from NMNY who is happy to have found people at all who will actually deal with the site that was only created to keep the AI junk away from e621.

Don't bother. It's not worth it. You can't argue with people who have literally no judgement. Instead of the slightest bit of appreciation for contributing, you only get harassment here. Do your sanity a favor and move on.

candougie12 said:
The thing is that I have a problem, it is that I don't know why these images that I uploaded were deleted for the reason that they did not have the standard artistic quality.

https://e6ai.net/posts/76675
https://e6ai.net/posts/76677
https://e6ai.net/posts/76712
https://e6ai.net/posts/76643
https://e6ai.net/posts/76642
https://e6ai.net/posts/76638
https://e6ai.net/posts/77382
https://e6ai.net/posts/77394

And the images look good and they didn't have any defects and I don't want to name anyone but the same person who deleted them but the images didn't look bad.

The posts don't appear to be violating the guidelines and have been returned to the gallery.

In the future you are better off contacting the staff member through direct message and asking them (It's easy to miss a forum post).

jelloponies said:
The posts don't appear to be violating the guidelines and have been returned to the gallery.

In the future you are better off contacting the staff member through direct message and asking them (It's easy to miss a forum post).

Thank you very much for returning my images.

jelloponies said:
The posts don't appear to be violating the guidelines and have been returned to the gallery.

In the future you are better off contacting the staff member through direct message and asking them (It's easy to miss a forum post).

I need help, my stuff is just instantly getting deleted too.

Your stuff was deleted for not meeting the minimum quality standards. Even if you try fixing these issues, it's still likely to be deleted.

argon-42 said:
I haven't seen the pictures, but my general advice: Find a better site to post. Save yourself the headaches of dealing with incompetent and arbitrary moderation.

The most active janitor here keeps uploading photorealistic bestiality, minors in explicit or suggestive situations, deformed anatomy and generally low quality gens, while deleting other people's guideline conform posts at will.
They are not getting paid or anything. It's not like they need any qualifications. They get their confirmation from a loyal discord bubble, and from NMNY who is happy to have found people at all who will actually deal with the site that was only created to keep the AI junk away from e621.

Don't bother. It's not worth it. You can't argue with people who have literally no judgement. Instead of the slightest bit of appreciation for contributing, you only get harassment here. Do your sanity a favor and move on.

Is discussion of said sites allowed? Please share some if so.

jellopenies and asscas deletes everything

busahou said:
Is discussion of said sites allowed? Please share some if so.

Well, I post on DA now: https://www.deviantart.com/argon-42
It's 100% AI friendly, although you should tag your stuff as AI-created, for those who don't want to see it.
Otherwise, it's not the best choice if you're doing mostly porn. Porn needs to be paywalled from the public. But nudity is fine, which works for me.
That said, I've seen people post porn openly, anyway...

CivitAI may actually be your best option when it comes to least restrictions and moderation harassment: https://civitai.com/

There is also weasyl: https://www.weasyl.com
I have read that it hosts pretty much anything, but the content there looks kinda strange to me, so I haven't actually tried it yet.

https://inkbunny.net/ allows AI content, but you have to meticulously provide precise instructions how you made and prompted each picture. Prompting artist tags is not allowed afaik.
At least that's what I learned about half a year ago. Don't know if those are still the rules, but that's restrictive to the point of unusable, of course, especially if you don't post raw gens, but inpaint and edit a lot.

I heard some people post on X. Don't know if there are any regulations there - probably not, lol. But, personally, I'd rather eat dog poo than support that platform in any way.
Besides, it probably gets very chaotic after a few posts without any real database functionality.

And there's also https://www.pixiv.net/en/
Don't know. Never tried. But I think they allow everything?

So, nothing is perfect, but there are alternatives.

argon-42 said:
Don't know if those are still the rules, but that's restrictive to the point of unusable, of course, especially if you don't post raw gens, but inpaint and edit a lot.

thats the IB rules still
no tagging artists for prompts(you would be counted as stealing from artists)
post the prompts and which model you used
you can still post inpaint and edited AI gens? not sure what the last part is about
iirc you also need to tag it as AI as "ai" "ai_generated" "ai_assisted" and the other kinds obligatorily
the only rule to look out is no humans and human-like allowed, otherwise you are free to go
and on IB you can post cub content with no worries

argon-42 said:
Well, I post on DA now: https://www.deviantart.com/argon-42
It's 100% AI friendly, although you should tag your stuff as AI-created, for those who don't want to see it.
Otherwise, it's not the best choice if you're doing mostly porn. Porn needs to be paywalled from the public. But nudity is fine, which works for me.
That said, I've seen people post porn openly, anyway...

CivitAI may actually be your best option when it comes to least restrictions and moderation harassment: https://civitai.com/

There is also weasyl: https://www.weasyl.com
I have read that it hosts pretty much anything, but the content there looks kinda strange to me, so I haven't actually tried it yet.

https://inkbunny.net/ allows AI content, but you have to meticulously provide precise instructions how you made and prompted each picture. Prompting artist tags is not allowed afaik.
At least that's what I learned about half a year ago. Don't know if those are still the rules, but that's restrictive to the point of unusable, of course, especially if you don't post raw gens, but inpaint and edit a lot.

I heard some people post on X. Don't know if there are any regulations there - probably not, lol. But, personally, I'd rather eat dog poo than support that platform in any way.
Besides, it probably gets very chaotic after a few posts without any real database functionality.

And there's also https://www.pixiv.net/en/
Don't know. Never tried. But I think they allow everything?

So, nothing is perfect, but there are alternatives.

Can comment on my experience with all of these.

Weasyl doesn't allow it. I tried, they delisted all my work.
Inkbunny is out of touch with their rules. Maybe it made sense for part of 2022 when things were simple, but things have evolved way beyond reason of their silly rules.
Pixiv is okay, I used it for awhile. You have to censor everything. I got suspended for mentioning in the description the uncensored versions were offsite. You can't even hint that uncensored versions exist, let alone say where, it's against the rules.
X is by far the best bet at the moment. But also the most controversial, so yeah...
Bluesky exists too. I post there. A little slow but give it time. In a year from now it could be pretty big, at the rate it's growing. EDIT UPDATE: actually bluesky suspended me for my art, so feral-lovers beware they're not really welcome over there.

There's also frosting.ai

IME it's something of a hybrid between art sites like FA/Weasyl/dA etc. and social media, rather than an image booru (for now..?)

furry/human/photorealistic SFW/NSFW are all allowed
(but no cub/'human cub' etc allowed, and anything super illegal OFC)

there's also a (free~paid) web-ui generator, which is nice

more importantly, everybody on there is generally pretty chill from what i've seen. always a big plus

flowersylveon said:
you can still post inpaint and edited AI gens? not sure what the last part is about

What I meant is that it's virtually impossible to provide an exact "how to reproduce my work" manual, when you do a lot of inpainting and editing, and need to adjust the prompt all the time.
And if you also use controlnet models, such as openpose, and do img2img, then how can you possibly write down every single step? I would have had to write a 20 page essay on my Christmas picture, which I spent about a week on...

argon-42 said:
What I meant is that it's virtually impossible to provide an exact "how to reproduce my work" manual, when you do a lot of inpainting and editing, and need to adjust the prompt all the time.
And if you also use controlnet models, such as openpose, and do img2img, then how can you possibly write down every single step? I would have had to write a 20 page essay on my Christmas picture, which I spent about a week on...

the inkbunny rules seems pretty simple to me.

The description must contain all prompts, seeds and LoRAs passed to AI tools and must indicate the generator, training model and version or hash used - for advanced projects that cannot be described in this manner, attach the workflow JSON as an additional file 

Include the metadata for the original image and each inpaint in your .txt file. Write few sentences of how you created it, and maybe even add a note about the specific area you worked on next to each inpaint's metadata.

If for any reason they aren’t happy with that, make sure to include the requirements from these rules as well:

If you used an AI tool to produce assisted output from input you created (eg. img2img):
you must include the original input as part of the submission
We don't require every subsequent hand-drawn input, but a viewer should understand how the end result was obtained through use of the tools

Just add a few progress images. But i don't think it will come to that.

Nope...

denatural said:
the inkbunny rules seems pretty simple to me.
[...]

Yes, simple to understand. Hard to actually do it. With rules like that Inkbunny is certainly not interesting for me to upload. It would probably take an hour of time to explain the workflow for every image.
Maybe people who want to advertise their Patreon/AI commission are willing to do this, but not me. I just gen for fun.

I only gen what I like and upload some of it in good faith, that some other people enjoy it, too. But it’s not that I’m desperate to upload my stuff.

And also it’s impossible to prove that none of the used models and LORAs contained any copyrighted artists work. The big AI companies provide zero info on what they trained. And what about custom LORA? Do I have to upload my whole training data, too? Crazy requirements...

InkBunny's rules only barely made sense back in 2022. Now-a-days there's so many countless variables and settings that won't be reflected in the meta, trying to actually recreate something is much harder than they make it seem and just strike me as written by people who have no experience in AI. Even just using different software or backends will change the output. Or all the countless optimizations and tweaks you can configure. Launch arguments, extensions, exterior tool editing, private loras/mix models that the public can't download, it's an exhaustive list. These sort of things really stink of a binary stance too, that I hate: that art can only be AI, or traditional. One or the other. A mixture of the two is possible too, ya' know.

(honestly I'd just BS the documentation, I can't imagine anyone is actually proofing it, assuming they even have the means to).

argon-42 said:
What I meant is that it's virtually impossible to provide an exact "how to reproduce my work" manual,

my good fellow you just need to provide the prompts
any other sorts of inpaint and editing is just, ok
it's not like

PROVIDE STEP BY STEP EXACTLY OR YOU SHALL BE PUNISHED

silvicultor said:
Yes, simple to understand. Hard to actually do it.

*-insert prompt-*
fixed errors on the leg, arms and removed additional limbs

dont think that is extremely hard to do it

flowersylveon said:
[...]

dont think that is extremely hard to do it

How do you know they don't want a step-by-step description? My interpretation of the rules is that they want that.
It's not hard to create such a description, but time consuming. And pointless, because nobody can actually use this information to reproduce the image.
If I spend hours with editing and inpainting I don't want to write a text file with all these edits on top of that just to gain the right to post to Inkbunny.
But posting to Inkbunny is out of question anyway because my work also violates this rule:

You must not post work using closed-source tools or services that do not make their code and models freely available

Because unpublished custom LORA = not freely available model.

flowersylveon said:
my good fellow you just need to provide the prompts
any other sorts of inpaint and editing is just, ok
it's not like

PROVIDE STEP BY STEP EXACTLY OR YOU SHALL BE PUNISHED

*-insert prompt-*
fixed errors on the leg, arms and removed additional limbs

dont think that is extremely hard to do it

Even if, I wouldn't post there anyway. I don't want to refrain from using any artist tags at all. It's not like I copy anyone's particular style. I often mix together a few, because, without any at all, most gens just don't look good, depending on model ofc, or they look all the same (see: bing, Dall-e, dream up...).
I find the restriction a bit ridiculous. In my understanding, most artists get their insipiration from somewhere, such as this guy... https://e621.net/posts?tags=jishinu+
Forbidding an AI from learning from content is like forbidding an artist from entering an exhibition or browsing the web for inspiration.
I also don't want to be forced to make every gen I post completely reproducible. It kills the whole "magic" of one's work.

argon-42 said:
Forbidding an AI from learning from content is like forbidding an artist from entering an exhibition or browsing the web for inspiration.

not really?
never heard of the term "outside artist"?
it's an artist who have done art without any sort of help and just learned by themselfs by looking at the world around them
of course their quality differ by a lot but still valid to some point

flowersylveon said:
not really?
never heard of the term "outside artist"?
it's an artist who have done art without any sort of help and just learned by themselfs by looking at the world around them
of course their quality differ by a lot but still valid to some point

There is no today’s artist who never looked at the works of other artists. Maybe the first caveman who picked up a piece of coal and drew something on the cave wall was a real artist in the sense you are describing („learned by themselfs by looking at the world around them“).

But all artists who lived later always looked at the works of the “old masters” and learned form them. So every human brain is like an AI model that was trained on copyrighted art.

Also 99% of the artists don’t create something really unique and creative.
They just learn from the very few “masters” and create something that is similar to their works but not identical. A disturbing similarity to what gen AI does, right? I know that’s hard to accept, we humans love to feel special and unique. But maybe we aren’t that special after all.

argon-42 said:
It's 100% AI friendly

I wouldn’t call DA AI-friendly by any means, especially after they actively advertised their brand-new 'Turn Off AI' switch.
That day, I experienced a 75% drop in interactions and never looked back.

Just post on X or Bsky. Your growth might - and will - be random, but at least it won’t be artificially suppressed because you post AI content. I’ve seen a few examples of people who reached over 10K followers in a month or two. Even though I wasn’t that lucky myself, it’s still possible.

denatural said:
Include the metadata for the original image and each inpaint in your .txt file. Write few sentences of how you created it, and maybe even add a note about the specific area you worked on next to each inpaint's metadata. Just add a few progress images.

All of that might actually take as much time as the entire process of creating an image.
There are cases where I make around 5–10 intermediate images, and by the time I’m finished, I’ve already forgotten exactly what I did at steps 2–5.
Documenting all of that would probably double the time spent.

And all of it just to post on a website where, at best, you’re treated as a third-rate 'artist.'
I see no reason to follow rules designed to make you feel unwelcome—rules seemingly meant to actively push you out.

silvicultor said:
There is no today’s artist who never looked at the works of other artists. Maybe the first caveman who picked up a piece of coal and drew something on the cave wall was a real artist in the sense you are describing

chris chan is considered an outside artist if that person rings any bells
outsider artists have existed through time and space, secluded villages, people who lived in the forest alone or people who never got internet access or tv access or any other sort
it just means that they looked at something and tried themselfs and overtime doing it and improving it by whatever it means to them as improvement

silvicultor said:
But all artists who lived later always looked at the works of the “old masters” and learned form them.

the moment you said "old masters" really shows your age and outdated view
almost every artist has been an outsider artist
specially kids, they grab chalk and just do stuff on the paper or anywhere to show their vision

the moment you look up to like, tutorials, how to draw art, or anything of the sorts that you stop being considered one
it's all self taught until you study the teachings of another or help from another individual or something like that, dont take my word as 100% true, do your research
even still outsider artists can exist within a group of friends that draws art and they learn for themselfs by themselfs with each other, again like kids do

silvicultor said:
So every human brain is like an AI model that was trained on copyrighted art.

again showing your age
if you want a more "realistic" approach of outsider artist, look up old art of european countries and asian countries
they are by essence outsider artists because it's all on the basis of their culture on how they view the world around them
there was no "copyrighted art" there was just the world and the many lenses that artists view the world as such
parts of westerns countries(Ex EU in general) wanted to portray the world in art as realistic as possible while some parts of easterns are more "stilistic" (EX Asian countries as china and japan)

but with today as we got more connected we learned more from each other and we got more standardized on approach of art and then 2 world wars happened and then some revolutions here and there and as internet came to be, a lot of art is imprint of several artists to become individualists on how they view the art after looking through the many eyes as the how the other artists view stuff
because doing art in general is like muscle memory on doing the shapes or "cutting corners" or just doing something that "feels right"
its like gaming, start small and after weeks,months,years you are doing stuff that just feels right by default

silvicultor said:
Because unpublished custom LORA = not freely available model.

tbf
why would you or anyone gatekeep access?

people providing prompts helped me understand how to make gens by myself
and people dont post prompts here so i only had inkbunny to go through and see how stuff is made

flowersylveon said:
[...] your age [...]

Taking a discussion to the personal level is never a good idea. While it is true, that I’m probably older than the average user here, that is in no way relevant for the discussion. Claiming that my so called “outdates views” are related to my age is even somewhat discriminating.
Persons who take a discussion to the personal level usually do that because they lack valid arguments. Please stop doing that.

Outside artists

I’m still not completely sure what you wanna express with that term. I only know that it’s not a realistic expectation in today’s world that you teach yourself how to draw without learning patterns from other artists. With modern media (TV, internet…) being present everywhere, even small children already see the works of other artists before they can hold a pencil by themselves.

Every human learns constantly from what the perceive, if they want it or not. That’s hard biological reality, not an opinion. A good example from the realm of the internet: The “cannot unsee” phenomenon: You don’t want to remember something, but you do. You can’t avoid learning from what you see.

And the whole “AI vs. artists” discussion is not really about a literal “outside artist”, who lives in a place that is cut-off from the rest of the world and who never saw works of other artists.
It’s about mediocre digital commission artists who cry because “AI is stealing their style”.

But what they do is not so different from what gen AI does: They all look at the works of others everyday, because they use social media a lot. And they learn the patterns from it, just like the gen AI does.

there was no "copyrighted art"

Yes, that is true. So humans always were allowed to learn patterns from others, but if the AI does it, it’s evil? But I fail to understand the relation to your “outside artists” concept, because the European art history is rather the result of the “old masters” concept. Centuries ago the young “wannabe artists” literally became apprentice of the masters, and own creativity was discouraged.

why would you or anyone gatekeep access?

First, when I create a LORA the result is my own work. Only I decide if I publish it or not.

Second, all my LORAs are somewhat experimental and literally custom for me. They are often only used for a certain stage of the workflow and were never intended for general use. If I would upload them to Civitai people would say: “What is this sh…?”, because they would fail to use them correctly.

And for the prompts: If my workflow contains 2 different base models, 3 different LORAs and dozens of different prompts not only for the initial txt2img but also for the various inpainting steps, what kind of metadata should I include?
If I just leave the metadata from the very last inpainting step in the PNG file, people will just be disappointed. Because if they send that prompt to txt2img it will create something that has no similarity with the image they are seeing. So this metadata is useless.
That is not “gatekeeping”, I just want to avoid this kind of confusion.
But many images on e6ai (especially the rawgens) have metadata. It is not removed by uploading. You just have to download the image at full resolution.

argon-42 said:
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Well damn, all of those options seem worse.
I'll add AIBooru to the list, they seem to accept more anime-style anthro furry content but they are definitely more "danbooru but AI" instead of "e621 but AI".

The rule here restricting "young" content is concerning as well, even if I don't consider my furry gens to be so who's to say a janitor won't? What if it contains a human character that according to some obscure lore is 17? This site isn't directly affiliated with e621 from what I can tell, and I heard they started that rule over there because of the almighty advertising overlords threatening to pull out if they continued hosting said content. Is that why it's here as well?

flowersylveon said:
never heard of the term "outside artist"?
it's an artist who have done art without any sort of help and just learned by themselfs by looking at the world around them
of course their quality differ by a lot but still valid to some point

I agree with the others in that it would be incredibly hard to be a 'true' outside artist completely unaffected by others' art, at least assuming that artist is online.
Does being an 'outsider artist' make one better somehow or is it something to be used by said artist in a holier-than-thou type argument with a taught artist?
Or what about someone who took an "art class" in primary school, then started making art decades later having forgotten everything? Would they be an outside artist?
Not trying to start a fight I just like semantics.

busahou said:
Does being an 'outsider artist' make one better somehow or is it something to be used by said artist in a holier-than-thou type argument with a taught artist?

never said anything like that
just explained the concept

busahou said:
I agree with the others in that it would be incredibly hard to be a 'true' outside artist completely unaffected by others' art, at least assuming that artist is online.

and thats the thing, there are a fuck ton of outsider artists out there, we just dont see do to either lack of seeing them in the online space, lack of visibility or them not having access to the internet at all
the only known outsider artists are the ones we did saw or got documented

busahou said:
Or what about someone who took an "art class" in primary school, then started making art decades later having forgotten everything? Would they be an outside artist?

depends
i barely remember shit from childhood
but drawing/painting comes from muscle memory from drawing time to time, even if you went years without drawing, if you did artwork before those skills will come back or you will learn them back faster than someone who never took to do those kind of things, same thing with a lot of other shit from your body, if you exercise your body and stop for a period of time, doing it again will regain those abilities(to whatever the context is) much faster

i went on a 10 years art break and came back recently last year, was able to do a big chunk of art and funnily enough it was just a speedpaint and i went "i understand now"
now trying to learn art on my phone so i can do art anywhere
still not looking up tutorials because meh, imma brute force the learning process by just doing stuff repeatedly and seeing whats is good and what isn't, which is still the same thing that all artists and gamers do, see what works and isn't what is good or best and what isn't and repeat the process so it comes down to muscle memory

busahou said:
The rule here restricting "young" content is concerning as well, even if I don't consider my furry gens to be so who's to say a janitor won't? What if it contains a human character that according to some obscure lore is 17? This site isn't directly affiliated with e621 from what I can tell, and I heard they started that rule over there because of the almighty advertising overlords threatening to pull out if they continued hosting said content. Is that why it's here as well?

I forgot to list one alternative: https://rule34.xxx/

The major downside is that the color scheme and ads will give you seizures.
They allow basically everything that's within the law, AI or conventional, except human underage.
Unlike here, they communicate clearly that it's got nothing to do with moral concerns, but is a sponsor/ads-related decision to ban that kind of content. However, anthros are not affected. (see under 4a: https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=forum&s=view&id=4356)
Unlike most, they don't actually think they know better than the law what minorities to needlessly discriminate against, for whatever reasons (such as the selling of dragon dildos or diffuse and evidently unfounded legal concerns around AI art).
So, there are also no absurd and arbitrary arguments over whether some cartoon character looks like 18 or 16 either, which happen to be why I stopped posting here.

edit: They don't have a no young furry rule on e621. They only banned human underage some time ago. Administration is the same. The reason here are legal concerns, which are unfounded and rather absurd, but I don't want to go into the details. Unwanted posts have a way of mysteriously disappearing here. Rule34 has been proving that there are no legal problems for a long time now. Besides, I hear e6 administration does masterful purges overnight. So, the problem could quickly get fixed in one batch operation by deleting all "young" and explicit content, if there was ever any actual need to do so. But maybe e6AIjunk just isn't worth the hassle?