Just wondering what is the point in the extremely strict "quality" control.

There is already a limit on how many posts you can upload in certain time frame so it cant be to prevent spam or that would just be adjusted to fix it. There is also the most popular every day, week and month sections to filter the most popular and best images so people can find the images most people like the most. It does not mean that a highly upvoted image is the best image in every ones opinion ofcourse. Just like some people like ultra realistic images and some like more artistic images. Artistic images are much more likely to get deleted.

All the hate for extra fingers seem so silly to me. Some actual real life people have real extra fingers or less fingers than the avarage human. Ofcourse the same applys to animals and even more so on fictional characters. This just makes absolutely dumb (imo) restrictions on actual creativity. Some creative person might want to make a character with a non standard number of fingers or arms and it would get deleted here. I think the creative aspect is the most inportant in AI image generation. I think it should be about creativity and expressing yourself even if you cant spend a decade in learning how to draw in traditional ways. So taking the site more towards realism is a step in the wrong direction imo.

I would have much easier time to understand the need to restrict photorealism. It is easy to trick people with that and it is becoming more and more problematic as AI advances. Also it allows the spread of images that are basically the exact same thing as pictures that would be illegal (in many places). These AI images are protected with the idea that they are art and just fictional.

With these restrictions it also discourages new people from posting their early work if they dont yet know how to make images that would meet the high standards of this site. I think that is very unfortunate. It helps a lot with learning to be able to put your work out to the public and for people to give feedback on. With my years of experience with AI image generation I can say it is definetly not easy to get at the point where there is zero things found on the image that could warrant a deletion here.

I personally think my image quality is pretty good but still half goes to garbage bin on this site. I can make multiple completely new images with new themes in the time it would take me to fix every single miniscule detail in one image. I would much rather see many images with great variety but some extra finger nail than less images but with no extra fingernails. I already fix and tweak a lot of stuff on my images but it is not even nearly enough for this website. Many of the images that get deleted are the ones that get the most amount of upvotes from the viewers too so this just seems so silly to me. I delete the images from my laptop after I have uploaded them but I dont want them to completely vanish from existance. I dont want to risk it with so many of my images so I cant upload on this website anymore. So if you have enjoyed my images you can find me from Luscious.net by searching ElkkuE or from Tensor.art by searching ElkkuE. I dont make many images anymore but if I do those are the places right now.

I assume I dont understand and I am missing something inportant why these restrictions are being forced on this site. I would just like to learn them and see the opinions of other people on the matter. Thank you.

ps. Sorry for errors in grammar. Im dyslexic and not a native english speaker.

I see it as an analogue to e621 quality control. Over these you can't spam shitty deviant-art quality mspaint drawings, so you need to develop your skill first if you want your art approved there. e621 was never meant to be beginner friendly, but a repository for high quality art.
Here, spamming raw gens takes even less effort than drawing, so naturally the minimal quality requirements must be increased, for the gens to have even a miminal ammount of value. So learning to use the inpainting to fix the rawgens is a must. Expecially how much the AI tools have developed within this year.

If your gens are getting deleted for quality reasons, then you must simply fix the mistakes, regardless how much effort it might take. The "I can make more gens by the time i fix that" is exactly the reason for these rules. This site is not meant to
spam multiple low-mid effort gens, but a few high effort ones. The upvotes from users are irrelevant, because you'll always get more upvotes on nsfw gens (especialy feral and loona).
Sometimes all it takes is fixing the face and hands, because these parts are the most important in the picture. You can easily regenerate specific body parts with low value inpaining expecially after upscaling. (I do that in Krita all the time)

I spend time on fixing my uploads as well, and I almost never run into the issue of having them deleted for quality reasons

I can't see what exactly was deleted. But I can notice also something about poor upsacle. Avoid using fake high resolutions. Just applying *.pth 4x upsacle on the image don't bring the real 4K resolution. Just set 100% scale on image viewer and notice how blurry it looks. It's should looks sharp. If not downscale to lower resolution.

yetanotheraiuser said:
I can't see what exactly was deleted.

status:deleted

you can search using
delreason:
as well, if you want to search for posts with specific reasoning

what about delreason:*upscaling*

mintyflur said:
status:deleted

you can search using
delreason:
as well, if you want to search for posts with specific reasoning

what about delreason:*upscaling*

I mean I need to see image. You can't see it anymore. So I can't say was it too tough with quality requirements or not.

yetanotheraiuser said:
I mean I need to see image. You can't see it anymore. So I can't say was it too tough with quality requirements or not.

oh
then that's the uploader/director's fault for not including a source for the post since most of them just think as this place as their personal galleries
otherwise the only ones who can do that is staff to see deleted posts

No hands + no feet = generally good AI generated images.
I can't make AI art like most of these users, I don't own a PC, idk how to do these "imprinting" and all this tech jazz. I wish I knew how but I don't know
So I just use free AI generating sites and I just spam the generate button till the flaws are gone.

choombah said:
No hands + no feet = generally good AI generated images.
I can't make AI art like most of these users, I don't own a PC, idk how to do these "imprinting" and all this tech jazz. I wish I knew how but I don't know
So I just use free AI generating sites and I just spam the generate button till the flaws are gone.

should you care tho? to make AI gens?
this is honest question

mintyflur said:
should you care tho? to make AI gens?
this is honest question

To generate for yourself? No.
To generate and share? Probably. If you don't inpaint, then it's probably not only limbs that are messed up, but also eyes. Broken backgrounds. Weird\broken anatomy.
You can get away with always hiding limbs, e.g. behind back or head, but that will likely become stale pretty soon, especially for yourself.

Also, fixing stuff manually is often much faster then hoping for a lucky gen.
If you're lazy and don't want to learn, then generate a bunch of images for your prompt and use any image editor to combine lucky parts of each: left hand from image 1, right hand from image 2, eyes from image 3, etc. Then just run img2img on low denoise (~0.3-0.4) to fix the seams. That's what i'm doing, because i can't be bothered with setting up inpaint in ComfyUI (it's ass). I'm also certainly not learning Krita 🤭

ayokeito said:
because i can't be bothered with setting up inpaint in ComfyUI (it's ass).

Install WebUI ReForge. Much more convenient for inpaint
Actually I use both - ComfyUI and ReForge (original was A1111 > than fork Forge > than fork ReForge)

choombah said:
So I just use free AI generating sites and I just spam the generate button till the flaws are gone.

You mean https://perchance.org/free-nsfw-ai-generator ?
It uses old SD1.5 format AI models, so don't expect much quality. I think that was Indigo furry mix (SD 1.5 version). It saves to highly compressed JPG file with visible JPG artifacts. So I think it already can't pass quality control with such JPG artifacts. But if you can get working local AI generator on PC like ReForge, you can with easy delete such JPG artifacts with any *.pth upscalers on "Extras" tab.
Also you can't experiment with upscalers like "Hires fix" or "Kohya HRFix" that adds more details and increase resolution but at risk giving you ugly mutated version of character. But if got not mutated version after such upscale, that will look much better than original not upscaled version.

mintyflur said:
oh
then that's the uploader/director's fault for not including a source for the post since most of them just think as this place as their personal galleries
otherwise the only ones who can do that is staff to see deleted posts

Well, where's the alternative?

If the site explicitly named for and meant for AI isn't letting people post AI, where are we all going?

dakka said:
Well, where's the alternative?

If the site explicitly named for and meant for AI isn't letting people post AI, where are we all going?

this is a CURATED booru isn't a personal galleries
the content being upload is curated by staff

same thing for e621 going "well the objective is to archive art but why doesn't let me archive 2006 mspaint i drew that you can't eve tell what's happening"
for e621 they have different artstyles and ideas for "good" and so "skill floor" to be the bare minimum for quality art is there but isn't huge because they are humans
AI is just machines, my first thought seeing this thread was just to respond "just generate better? lmao" but that would be too rude to say, still. feel's like it's the truth
if you wanna gen AI, the tools are there to get the best quality, it's all just funny calculations and prompts with a NN(i believe), AI has evolved enough to not have much errors, if it has it's up to the director to fix or not post, instances of r34 is open to AI so maybe go there?
There is a bunch of alternatives, rule34, booru's centered to AI or the ones that allow AI, inkbunny accepts AI and social medias since some don't care for AI to be there

like i said the tools are there, if you don't have the high end equipment then why bother honestly?
literally the reason i asked above why care about gen AI since there will be someone who will always have the top of the line equipment with the newest tech of tools, models, NN or anything of the sort
there is no reason to care if there will be someone always better than you, maybe just pay them to gen for you? i believe people do AI commissions so could look into that

and excuse for anything else i said that sounds rude
me got the unfunny autism
any clarification will be welcomed

mintyflur said:
like i said the tools are there, if you don't have the high end equipment then why bother honestly?

Really you don't need high end PC. Just average gaming PC for 1920x1080. With basic videocard 3060 (12 GB version) you can do most of AI things with acceptable image generation speed. You can even generate on 4 GB NVIDIA videocard like 1650, but it will be more sloooooooooooooooooowly.

yetanotheraiuser said:
Really you don't need high end PC

not that it was my point that you NEED IT to do gen AI

it's the logic that better stuff will get better and faster results

yetanotheraiuser said:
You can even generate on 4 GB NVIDIA videocard like 1650, but it will be more sloooooooooooooooooowly.

now this was my point

mintyflur said:
it's the logic that better stuff will get better and faster results

Yes, I'm planning to buy 4090 since I use AI tools quite often and definitely I will not abandon such hobby, so I'm sure it worth buying it. My latest uploads were made not on the best videocard, but you can notice how sharp they look even not using the best equipment. I just practiced a lot using "try and error" method with AI upscalers and manually fixed some AI generated errors by using image editor and inpaint.

yetanotheraiuser said:
You can even generate on 4 GB NVIDIA videocard like 1650, but it will be more sloooooooooooooooooowly.

And even with such a video card, you can generate images that will rank in the top 10% for detail on this site. With enough impainting, it’s possible to achieve this even on SD1.5. I personally use just a GTX 1070, and I don’t see the need for a better card to work with SDXL.

I'm glad there are quality controls at all. People spam slop and it makes finding decent pictures difficult because a lot of uploaders just post whatever they gen without even bothering to fix them up to a decent standard

it does seem a little overly strict. not sure i fully understand the process also. https://e6ai.net/posts/63868 got removed for "different number of digits on each foot. Too many fingers." but, uhh... 5 fingers is too many? i'm confused. it's also not even clear that the number of toes don't match. original image for reference: https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=11345688

edit: don't want to just whine about stuff though, literally 0 items with status:pending currently. might be a few more mistakes or harsher quality control compared to before but compared to when there were 10 pages of pending submissions it's definitely a big overall improvement.

blp said:
it does seem a little overly strict. not sure i fully understand the process also. https://e6ai.net/posts/63868 got removed for "different number of digits on each foot. Too many fingers." but, uhh... 5 fingers is too many? i'm confused. it's also not even clear that the number of toes don't match. original image for reference: https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=11345688

edit: don't want to just whine about stuff though, literally 0 items with status:pending currently. might be a few more mistakes or harsher quality control compared to before but compared to when there were 10 pages of pending submissions it's definitely a big overall improvement.

ask the person who deleted the pic by sending a dmail and just try reason with the deletion if you think it's wrong doing
just don't push it too hard

yetanotheraiuser said:
Yes, I'm planning to buy 4090 since I use AI tools quite often and definitely I will not abandon such hobby, so I'm sure it worth buying it. My latest uploads were made not on the best videocard, but you can notice how sharp they look even not using the best equipment. I just practiced a lot using "try and error" method with AI upscalers and manually fixed some AI generated errors by using image editor and inpaint.

To give some context, I've been following this art for 10+ years, and while I tried (Zender) to post and make my own art....it was poor.

Recently I got into using AI to make what I couldn't. And while I like the initial results, I've noticed small flaws in quality and anatomy. So while it's acceptable for my own personal collection, I know it would ultimately degrade the standard on a site like this, should I post it.

However I like the artwork posted here, and didn't want to just leach off of the other professional users that contributed daily. Thanks to your post I have realised that I can upscale and resolve some of the issues with artwork that I have generated using various AI programs.

In short...I just wanted to say thank you for posting what should have been obvious to me (AI upscaling).

On a side note: I can see some members here being disheartened by work being removed that doesn't meet community guidelines. Given the sharp progress with AI programs and users ability to apply them, I'd assume that the quality of what we have now will be left in the dust by work generated 1 year from now. I guess the proof in the pudding is looking at the first year of works on e621 compared to modern work.

Summary: so I am using perchance to generate images, and then running these through upscaling AI to try to make work that is both fun and meet the guidelines here, if just to contribute to this site with more than just likes and comments. If anyone here has a suggestion to boost the quality of my work beyond what I am doing, I'd sincerely love for you input and help.

zendertitan said:
To give some context, I've been following this art for 10+ years, and while I tried (Zender) to post and make my own art....it was poor.

Recently I got into using AI to make what I couldn't. And while I like the initial results, I've noticed small flaws in quality and anatomy. So while it's acceptable for my own personal collection, I know it would ultimately degrade the standard on a site like this, should I post it.

However I like the artwork posted here, and didn't want to just leach off of the other professional users that contributed daily. Thanks to your post I have realized that I can upscale and resolve some of the issues with artwork that I have generated using various AI programs.

In short...I just wanted to say thank you for posting what should have been obvious to me (AI upscaling).

On a side note: I can see some members here being disheartened by work being removed that doesn't meet community guidelines. Given the sharp progress with AI programs and users ability to apply them, I'd assume that the quality of what we have now will be left in the dust by work generated 1 year from now. I guess the proof in the pudding is looking at the first year of works on e621 compared to modern work.

Summary: so I am using perchance to generate images, and then running these through upscaling AI to try to make work that is both fun and meet the guidelines here, if just to contribute to this site with more than just likes and comments. If anyone here has a suggestion to boost the quality of my work beyond what I am doing, I'd sincerely love for you input and help.

Lots of good info and resources on the Discord. Link (https://e6ai.net/static/discord) at the very top of the page. Wish I knew about it when starting. Of note as I'm learning the site is more supportive of AI-assisted artwork than AI-generated, so be prepared for that snafu. Tons of guides, resources, and people to ask on the Discord though. Happy Genning.

Given how relatively quick it is to generate a batch of generic-but-presentable-quality furry images with <fetish content here> compared to doing it 'manually',
really curious how e6AI ends up handling the exponential increase in upload frequency compared to e621

Personally, i'm all for even stricter upload quality..
but not at the expense of rejecting higher-effort, genuinely creative/ambitious gens

Seems like it's a rather precarious compromise between being accommodating and being consistent;
and i don't envy any of the staff in the Queue trenches having to deal with that issue for every new post
___

ayokeito said:
[..]I'm also certainly not learning Krita 🤭

Krita's great, IMO!

(saying that as someone who switched to it after using GIMP for tradigital art for ~5 years prior)

Dunno what your workflow requirements are,
but for anyone who's curious, check out Krita AI Diffusion

Supposedly, it handles inpainting/outpainting, upscaling, and a bunch of other stuff

crashbandit said:
Lots of good info and resources on the Discord. Link (https://e6ai.net/static/discord) at the very top of the page. Wish I knew about it when starting. Of note as I'm learning the site is more supportive of AI-assisted artwork than AI-generated, so be prepared for that snafu. Tons of guides, resources, and people to ask on the Discord though. Happy Genning.

Thank you Crashbandit, I never considered the discord. Hopefully that'll fill in the blanks.

You know while I've been touring the more obscure parts of the site, I came to realise that the staff must have a huge workload in keeping things running smoothly here. You have some angry members giving them/decisions flack without realising how much they have to deal with behind the scenes in the effort to keep the site and it's content awesome.

Props to the staff.

Does not meet minimum quality standards (Artistic)

pfftahahahaha
oh wow

never in my wildest dreams would i have guessed that ozovard's stuff isn't fit for e6ai

given the other things that have been approved in the same time span,
by the same person,
and the standard of their own uploads,

it speaks for itself

not even going to bother appealing this
looks like FluffyAF's sentiment was spot on; i'm past confusion/being upset/anger and am just in awe

it's like watching a giant trainwreck/pileup in realtime

this certainly answered my earlier question/curiousity

ohnowhat said:
[..]
really curious how e6AI ends up handling the exponential increase in upload frequency compared to e621

ohnowhat said:
pfftahahahaha
oh wow

never in my wildest dreams would i have guessed that ozovard's stuff isn't fit for e6ai

given the other things that have been approved in the same time span,
by the same person,
and the standard of their own uploads,

it speaks for itself

not even going to bother appealing this
looks like FluffyAF's sentiment was spot on; i'm past confusion/being upset/anger and am just in awe

it's like watching a giant trainwreck/pileup in realtime

this certainly answered my earlier question/curiousity

Hello, my friend!

As a janitor, I cannot dictate which kinks are allowed or not on this site. Also, I cannot only approve posts that are to my personal preferences, and someone needs to go through all of these posts to evaluate them. Thank you for showing everyone my love, dedication, and what I have to do for this community.

My role is to review posts and ensure they align with the current posting guidelines. Among many rules, it focus on prohibiting explicit Young content, poorly made anatomy, or images of such low quality, they would look bad even year ago.

If you believe any recent post violates the guidelines, feel free to flag it.

denatural said:
Hello, my friend!

As a janitor, I cannot dictate which kinks are allowed or not on this site. Also, I cannot only approve posts that are to my personal preferences, and someone needs to go through all of these posts to evaluate them. Thank you for showing everyone my love, dedication, and what I have to do for this community.

My role is to review posts and ensure they align with the current posting guidelines. Among many rules, it focus on prohibiting explicit Young content, poorly made anatomy, or images of such low quality, they would look bad even year ago.

If you believe any recent post violates the guidelines, feel free to flag it.

So I know that is the ideal, but unfortunately that isn’t what we’re seeing. I will say some janitors are doing so, but I have observed numerous occasions where things were deleted because it wasn’t someone’s preference. Art police is also an issue. So the comments we’ve seen in the last week on the forum have been spot on. Unfortunately they are applied broadly to all janitors where that isn’t actually the case. Each clearly has there own let’s say style to handing the approval process.

It’s probably worth adding at this point that the reputation of the site and janitors are not great right now. That stigma will probably last awhile as well. I was drafting a letter to Draco about it before I went on travel, but the recent posts may have made it moot. It’s already crossing a tipping point it seems.

I do want to say it’s not deserved by all, so I hope folks realize that.

ohnowhat said:
pfftahahahaha
oh wow

never in my wildest dreams would i have guessed that ozovard's stuff isn't fit for e6ai

given the other things that have been approved in the same time span,
by the same person,
and the standard of their own uploads,

it speaks for itself

not even going to bother appealing this
looks like FluffyAF's sentiment was spot on; i'm past confusion/being upset/anger and am just in awe

it's like watching a giant trainwreck/pileup in realtime

this certainly answered my earlier question/curiousity

Fully agree. Is upscaling just banned now, or what?

ohnowhat said:
never in my wildest dreams would i have guessed that ozovard's stuff isn't fit for e6ai

given the other things that have been approved in the same time span,
by the same person,
and the standard of their own uploads

I undeleted a few of those from ozovard. I will also note that there was a shift in what we set as the quality threshold right around the end of September 2024, with some alignment between myself and Jelloponies during October, and then updating the guidelines mid December. So posts like 68842 were grandfathered in. Also thank you for making me add more things to my blacklist. 😒

chesapeake said:
Fully agree. Is upscaling just banned now, or what?

Generally speaking, no. But always look at the result after the upscaling has been done at a 1:1 view and check for anything weird, particularly in the eyes, teeth, and hands. I give you this monstrocity as an example, which from #58007 (this is not to call out the uploader, it was just an example I was able to pull out quickly from our conversations about quality and the cropped full scale image is a fine example of what happens when upscaling deep fries things). At 21% it looks more or less fine. At 100% it does not.

This this example that Jello genned specifically to highlight quality issues. Look at the face, viewer-left foot, and viewer-right hand.

If it looks like shit when viewed at 1:1 resolution, what was the fucking point?

zendertitan said:
You know while I've been touring the more obscure parts of the site, I came to realise that the staff must have a huge workload in keeping things running smoothly here. You have some angry members giving them/decisions flack without realising how much they have to deal with behind the scenes in the effort to keep the site and it's content awesome.

You have no idea; Jello pretty much single handedly lifted the burden of having to approve/deny something like 1000 images a week. Originally it was just Lance, I volunteered some of my time to help out, but even I hit a point where I was ignoring it unless poked on the discord by someone going "hey, can you approve my stuff? it's about to hit the 30 day auto-delete." I'd handle their uploads and then try and knock out a page or two from the queue.

chesapeake said:
Fully agree. Is upscaling just banned now, or what?

As draco said, using GAN upscaling or other sharpening tools isn’t forbidden, but in most cases, they make things worse by warping and distorting any already emerging, but pasable anatomical issues. If your image is already good, GAN upscaling isn’t necessary. if it’s not, GAN upscaling won’t fix it.

Furthermore, we evaluate images in their original size, so if you upscale your image to 4K, we will look at it in that resolution, and it will be judged as a 4K image.

If a poor-quality original image is combined with upscaling, it usually leads to multiple errors.
We don’t provide a detailed explanation for the deletion of such images, mainly because we’ve likely already spent more time reviewing it than the creator spent making it. And sadly a lot of uploaders wont ever try to fix the issues and reupload a corrected version.
However, if you have questions about the deletion, we will gladly address them, and will be looking forward to your new version.

Your last image was removed not only because of poor upscaling, but also because of the character's arms ending in weird stumps. If you wish to argue it's acceptable for a goo girl, you can appeal the decision, and it will be reviewed by Draco for a final verdict.