Hello,
In the guidelines, there is a rule about "Anything explicit that, at a glance, could be mistaken for a photograph". Which is fair. But recently one of my posts, which was a SFW gen, got deleted because it broke this rule.
The jannie explained that photographs are also off limits. But it wasn't an actual photo, it was an ultrarealistic gen of an anthro (Which I even have one approved recently).

So does the "explicit realism" rule also apply to SFW gens?
Some gens I have are pretty realistic and SFW but I'm just looking for clarification before I upload them, so I don't get all my posts removed left and right lmao
If any mod/janny wants to talk on dm/discord so I can show some examples so they can pinpoint any potential flag, I'm open for it

delken said:
Hello,
In the guidelines, there is a rule about "Anything explicit that, at a glance, could be mistaken for a photograph". Which is fair. But recently one of my posts, which was a SFW gen, got deleted because it broke this rule.
The jannie explained that photographs are also off limits. But it wasn't an actual photo, it was an ultrarealistic gen of an anthro (Which I even have one approved recently).

So does the "explicit realism" rule also apply to SFW gens?
Some gens I have are pretty realistic and SFW but I'm just looking for clarification before I upload them, so I don't get all my posts removed left and right lmao
If any mod/janny wants to talk on dm/discord so I can show some examples so they can pinpoint any potential flag, I'm open for it

first of all why are you saying janny/jannies? are you trying to call janitors/staff as a slur or something?
human faces depending on the occasion is to be counted as photographs "ultrarealism this, ultrarealism that" it could be counted regardless
the main purpose of "Photorealistic Renders" rule is that people wont confuse our pictures as a real bestiality among other stuff alike
you can gen stuff all you want but there IS a line that can be crossed even if "unintentionally"

the furry con one which i tried to flag it but an staff beat me to it before me was pretty looking like a photograph "oh but werewolfs don't exist", if you took a look on the amount of details we can have with fursuits today and with the ones i have seen myself in person, that gen is EXTREMELY close

the one with werewolf with human on bed is another because of the human face and could be counted as photograph just because of the face, the anthro was ok because fursuits cant make expressions to look directly at a camera

delken said:
Hello,
In the guidelines, there is a rule about "Anything explicit that, at a glance, could be mistaken for a photograph". Which is fair. But recently one of my posts, which was a SFW gen, got deleted because it broke this rule.
The jannie explained that photographs are also off limits. But it wasn't an actual photo, it was an ultrarealistic gen of an anthro (Which I even have one approved recently).

So does the "explicit realism" rule also apply to SFW gens?
Some gens I have are pretty realistic and SFW but I'm just looking for clarification before I upload them, so I don't get all my posts removed left and right lmao
If any mod/janny wants to talk on dm/discord so I can show some examples so they can pinpoint any potential flag, I'm open for it

Hi friend!

I'm sorry for the confusion this is a situation we haven't really encountered before so the guidelines were not designed to deal with it.
After speaking to management there is now an addition to the bad things to post in the uploading guidelines that state the following:

Photorealistic depictions of humans (exception: POV or shots that obscure most features of the realistic human partner in the scene are fine but no facial features are to be visible)

https://e6ai.net/wiki_pages/uploading_guidelines#bad

Hope that helps clear it up. If you still want to speak with staff on discord we are available on the Furry Diffusion discord (click to join)

Regards

jelloponies said:
Hi friend!

I'm sorry for the confusion this is a situation we haven't really encountered before so the guidelines were not designed to deal with it.
After speaking to management there is now an addition to the bad things to post in the uploading guidelines that state the following:

Photorealistic depictions of humans (exception: POV or shots that obscure most features of the realistic human partner in the scene are fine but no facial features are to be visible)

https://e6ai.net/wiki_pages/uploading_guidelines#bad

Hope that helps clear it up. If you still want to speak with staff on discord we are available on the Furry Diffusion discord (click to join)

Regards

Great! Thank you for clearing it up and for the rewriting of the rule. Unfortunately that meant I got a lot of my posts culled lmao, but I understand

delken said:
Great! Thank you for clearing it up and for the rewriting of the rule. Unfortunately that meant I got a lot of my posts culled lmao, but I understand

Oh no I was halfway through reading this and went "Oh god no I hope it isn't delken's recent stuff..."

Fuck!

Bro, don't be too disheartened, that work was SO GOOD. Shame it can't live here but like, that was *excellent*. The werewolf party picture! Damnit!

Keep up the excellent work.

bahufaru said:
Oh no I was halfway through reading this and went "Oh god no I hope it isn't delken's recent stuff..."

Fuck!

Bro, don't be too disheartened, that work was SO GOOD. Shame it can't live here but like, that was *excellent*. The werewolf party picture! Damnit!

Keep up the excellent work.

lmao thanks bruv, but no worries, I'll just focus on the ultrarealistic wolfo by himself

jelloponies said:
Hi friend!

I'm sorry for the confusion this is a situation we haven't really encountered before so the guidelines were not designed to deal with it.
After speaking to management there is now an addition to the bad things to post in the uploading guidelines that state the following:

Photorealistic depictions of humans (exception: POV or shots that obscure most features of the realistic human partner in the scene are fine but no facial features are to be visible)

https://e6ai.net/wiki_pages/uploading_guidelines#bad

Hope that helps clear it up. If you still want to speak with staff on discord we are available on the Furry Diffusion discord (click to join)

Regards

What about this post : https://e6ai.net/posts/103417 ?

It showed some female cheetah getting a great deal of dicking by an human, but it was totally POV and seemingly complying with this new guideline.

Need some clarification because this is more or less the kind of content I might try to generate in the future

b1techienne said:
What about this post : https://e6ai.net/posts/103417 ?

It showed some female cheetah getting a great deal of dicking by an human, but it was totally POV and seemingly complying with this new guideline.

Need some clarification because this is more or less the kind of content I might try to generate in the future

In some cases, yes.
But ultimately, Myself, as well as other janitor's deemed this post to be a bit too realistic considering the facial features of the cheetah and overall quality of it.
It's better to be safe then sorry.

We usually look at two things. what’s in the image and where it’s set. A regular-looking feline laying in bedroom can easily pass for a real photo. But turn that cat bright pink with tiger stripes, and it’s clearly made by AI.
Same goes for a horse in a barn. Even badly done image may look quite believable. Put that horse on a spaceship, give it, weird colour, wings or a unicorn horn, and its much more visible its not real. If you want to play it safe, go straight for a fantasy creature like a hippogriff and you’re good.

Realistic colors and familiar backgrounds make images feel more real
Weird colors, fantasy features or sci-fi settings make it easier to tell it’s AI-made
The whole scene matters more than just one detail.

denatural said:
We usually look at two things. what’s in the image and where it’s set. A regular-looking feline laying in bedroom can easily pass for a real photo. But turn that cat bright pink with tiger stripes, and it’s clearly made by AI.
Same goes for a horse in a barn. Even badly done image may look quite believable. Put that horse on a spaceship, give it, weird colour, wings or a unicorn horn, and its much more visible its not real. If you want to play it safe, go straight for a fantasy creature like a hippogriff and you’re good.

Realistic colors and familiar backgrounds make images feel more real
Weird colors, fantasy features or sci-fi settings make it easier to tell it’s AI-made
The whole scene matters more than just one detail.

About this post : https://e6ai.net/posts/103417
I and I'm quite sure others that saw this masterpiece, wonder why this masterpiece of AI art was taken down ... e6ai ask for perfection, and when e6ai gets it, it's deemed too realistic. This action is not a motivation for the perfection asked for. The " looks like a photograph " is a compliment for the best AI image ever posted (which can be proved it's not a photo).. now gone with " better safe than sorry ". Yes, someone should be sorry because it's not making sense.

ironhorse said:
About this post : https://e6ai.net/posts/103417
I and I'm quite sure others that saw this masterpiece, wonder why this masterpiece of AI art was taken down ... e6ai ask for perfection, and when e6ai gets it, it's deemed too realistic. This action is not a motivation for the perfection asked for. The " looks like a photograph " is a compliment for the best AI image ever posted (which can be proved it's not a photo).. now gone with " better safe than sorry ". Yes, someone should be sorry because it's not making sense.

Yep. And don't bother to lean into painterly styles on this site -- god help you if visible brushstrokes should show up. Nevermind that no paintbrush in the world could ever render a face as finely as expected -- it'll all be "artifacts" to them.

It's resulting in a very sterile, "safe" styles predominant on the site. :\

ironhorse said:
About this post : https://e6ai.net/posts/103417
I and I'm quite sure others that saw this masterpiece, wonder why this masterpiece of AI art was taken down ... e6ai ask for perfection, and when e6ai gets it, it's deemed too realistic. This action is not a motivation for the perfection asked for. The " looks like a photograph " is a compliment for the best AI image ever posted (which can be proved it's not a photo).. now gone with " better safe than sorry ". Yes, someone should be sorry because it's not making sense.

We usually look at two things. what’s in the image and where it’s set. A regular-looking feline laying in bedroom can easily pass for a real photo. But turn that cat bright pink with tiger stripes, and it’s clearly made by AI.
Same goes for a horse in a barn. Even badly done image may look quite believable. Put that horse on a spaceship, give it, weird colour, wings or a unicorn horn, and its much more visible its not real. If you want to play it safe, go straight for a fantasy creature like a hippogriff and you’re good.

Realistic colors and familiar backgrounds make images feel more real
Weird colors, fantasy features or sci-fi settings make it easier to tell it’s AI-made
The whole scene matters more than just one detail.

denatural said:
We usually look at two things. what’s in the image and where it’s set. A regular-looking feline laying in bedroom can easily pass for a real photo. But turn that cat bright pink with tiger stripes, and it’s clearly made by AI.
Same goes for a horse in a barn. Even badly done image may look quite believable. Put that horse on a spaceship, give it, weird colour, wings or a unicorn horn, and its much more visible its not real. If you want to play it safe, go straight for a fantasy creature like a hippogriff and you’re good.

Realistic colors and familiar backgrounds make images feel more real
Weird colors, fantasy features or sci-fi settings make it easier to tell it’s AI-made
The whole scene matters more than just one detail.

Yes .. I already read this .. also easy to tell it's AI from the code used to create it.

I can see this is creating quite a discussion. From the way AI is evolving, it's bound to churn out more realistic and error-less images. From what I've gathered, I think the mods are saying that they don't want someone seeing that and thinking it's a straight up zoo video? Since, well, a leopard and a human exists irl. If it's a bipedal realistic werewolf then yea no shit it's fake no matter how realistic.

That's what I gathered from it at least.

delken said:
I can see this is creating quite a discussion. From the way AI is evolving, it's bound to churn out more realistic and error-less images. From what I've gathered, I think the mods are saying that they don't want someone seeing that and thinking it's a straight up zoo video? Since, well, a leopard and a human exists irl. If it's a bipedal realistic werewolf then yea no shit it's fake no matter how realistic.

That's what I gathered from it at least.

Yes, anthrofying the real animals in the gens should usually be enough, but additional details that further indicate the non-realism of the gens (piecings, clothes, funky fur patterns and colors, etc.) is further reinforcing the ai aspect.
The main problem with these photorealistic ai gens, is that if someone starts dumping borderline-literall zoo content (which could get mass bot-reported to whatever authorities), it would get the site in trouble.
The same topics from such gens, would be fine in non-photorealistic styles obviously.
The simplified rule of thumb basically is - if an average everyday person (a boomer) would think that the ai gen shows real (feral) animals, then it's propably not good to upload it on e6ai

technical-grid said:
Yes, anthrofying the real animals in the gens should usually be enough, but additional details that further indicate the non-realism of the gens (piecings, clothes, funky fur patterns and colors, etc.) is further reinforcing the ai aspect.
The main problem with these photorealistic ai gens, is that if someone starts dumping borderline-literall zoo content (which could get mass bot-reported to whatever authorities), it would get the site in trouble.
The same topics from such gens, would be fine in non-photorealistic styles obviously.
The simplified rule of thumb basically is - if an average everyday person (a boomer) would think that the ai gen shows real (feral) animals, then it's propably not good to upload it on e621

Thank You .. The threat of authorities involvement makes more sense as the reason. I and maybe others don't always realize the scrutiny the site is subject to.