I am one of the only few people who doesn't like seeing people who have to manually create art without using AI to lose their jobs. I am not a full on an AI bro who thinks that AI artists will replace AI art and such, yet, I also think that AI art can also raise the bar when it comes to the quality of manual art from artists. Seeing realistic anthro women from AI made me astonished. I've always wanted to know what anthro women, especially fox girls, would look like in the real world. And to some, they'd look creepy and will always have an uncanny valley, yet AI art has proven that realistic anthro women would look amazing in the real world without that uncanny valley, and it makes me wish that they'd exist. AI art has pushed many boundaries in what furry art often looks like, and it makes me wish that rather than pushing away AI art, manual artists instead should be inspired by them.

It's just my opinion, and you can disagree with me, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

masterbeaster50 said:
I am one of the only few people who doesn't like seeing people who have to manually create art without using AI to lose their jobs. I am not a full on an AI bro who thinks that AI artists will replace AI art and such, yet, I also think that AI art can also raise the bar when it comes to the quality of manual art from artists. Seeing realistic anthro women from AI made me astonished. I've always wanted to know what anthro women, especially fox girls, would look like in the real world. And to some, they'd look creepy and will always have an uncanny valley, yet AI art has proven that realistic anthro women would look amazing in the real world without that uncanny valley, and it makes me wish that they'd exist. AI art has pushed many boundaries in what furry art often looks like, and it makes me wish that rather than pushing away AI art, manual artists instead should be inspired by them.

It's just my opinion, and you can disagree with me, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

not everything has to be realistic tho
saying that as i both dislike realism in art and generative media

mintyflur said:
not everything has to be realistic tho
saying that as i both dislike realism in art and generative media

I'm not saying everything has to be realistic. I'm just saying is that generative media has raised the bar for me on what furry art should be like when it comes to high end artists

masterbeaster50 said:
I am one of the only few people who doesn't like seeing people who have to manually create art without using AI to lose their jobs. [...]

It doesn't really matter what we think or want. Jobs will get replaced anyway. We’re in the middle of a revolution right now that will change the way we live much more than the rise of the steam engine in the 19th century.

While I love the ultra realistic AI gens, I still like art created by humans and I even enjoy drawing by myself. But no one can give you a guarantee that you can make money with it in the future. That is valid for ANY job.

In the 19th century no one asked the weavers if they approve of mechanized looms. And no company today will ask if writers/artists approve of generative AI. And if the writers for example go on strike to get AI banned, this will just speed up the disruptive transformation process.

masterbeaster50 said:
I'm not saying everything has to be realistic

i was trying to say that realism isn't the only thing that exists

masterbeaster50 said:
I'm just saying is that generative media has raised the bar for me on what furry art should be like when it comes to high end artists

highly disagree on the last part
as someone who's an artist(no i don't generate any sort of media and please don't bug on "then why are you here")

artists have been changing to be themselfs rather than appeal, never heard of movements about art not being a product but being art as art?
there is a lot to interpret as "high end artists" which i honestly think it's a dumb term
artists over time have grown to be discovered by themselfs, something among the lines that each stroke is a feeling and a emotion a new path of learning
it comes to be years and years of discovering what is their own artstyle, what fits them, what speaks about them the most
it's a self discovery path that artists take upon themselfs,
(also because being good at art is just doing more and more art because to be "good" at art is just train your muscle memory)
i no longer do "good art" because really couldn't bother, i only just actual try when it's sparks my interests when it's someone character or i feel inspired enough
i have multiple artstyles to differ what i feel
even tho these days i just stick up with funny mspaint doodles because
it's fun to do something without thinking it should be "good"
just need to be enough for you

in other words

i don't agree with what you say about "raising the bar" for me it's bullshittery if you don't understand why i think of that then you didn't read what i said above, but it's either way your own opinion, you have yourself and stuff and cool i guess
just sharing my own thoughts as you are as well
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silvicultor said:
And no company today will ask if writers/artists approve of generative AI. And if the writers for example go on strike to get AI banned, this will just speed up the disruptive transformation process.

no
reason people go on strike is because nobody asked for permission
writer/artists can approve of generative AI
i think it can be a great tool for references, same reason why sometimes i go here to overtag something i am looking for as reference to draw, tags helps being easy to be specific on what you looking for

silvicultor said:
But no one can give you a guarantee that you can make money with it in the future. That is valid for ANY job.

sometimes artists don't want money, they just want to spread what they can do or just feel the sense of community
the thing about money is that people need to live
other wise artists would be just keep doing art more and more

plus human making art by commissions is more of having yourself your own nft in some way? because, that's your character there or multiple characters featuring multiple people, the idea came from you to the artist to then reality, people can't steal characters(well they can but everyone would know and recognize in a mile away that it's pretty sure that the fat furry with red fur and white hair is pyrocynical's furry oc)
it's something earn for yourself and stuff

now if we talking about corporation and producing studios that's a whole another story which i don't have the brain capacity to go in depth

mintyflur said:
no
reason people go on strike is because nobody asked for permission
[...]

I can see, you are an idealist. That’s good. But it’s not going to help. Powerful “players” like multinational companies don’t have to ask anyone for permission. They just do it and others will have to live with it. If you like it or not (I don’t like it, but that doesn't matter).
The writers won’t achieve anything with their strike. The longer the strike is going on the more likely it is that they will be replaced by generative AI. And in the end it will be irrelevant if their demands where justified. That’s just how our world works.

mintyflur said:
[...] the thing about money is that people need to live [...]

Yes, you need money to live, obviously. And the result for the most artist will probably be, that they will have to find new jobs. That’s why I brought up the example with the weavers. We have already seen a transformation process like this in the past. It is (almost) impossible today to survive by weaving cloth by hand in an industrialized country.

And a similar thing is going to happen with the artists. Maybe some of the really good ones will be able to survive. But all this medium quality commission artists will have to find a new source of income for sure.

But it is realistic, that there will still be a community that cherishes human made art.

AI allows to generate some niche images that not a lot of "real" artists want to touch (e.g. realistic feral).
People with niche fetishes are starved for content they like and they get more out of AI images now.

Also, some traditional artists unironically regress. I won't call any names, but if AI kicks them in the butt, i see no downsides.
I've been subbed to Patreons of a few who literally started using gradient bucket tool to color their characters, and overall quality went down the drain.
Maybe competition from AI will get them back on track to improve. Or maybe they'll just spend their free time harassing AI-posters.

ayokeito said:
AI allows to generate some niche images that not a lot of "real" artists want to touch (e.g. realistic feral).
People with niche fetishes are starved for content they like and they get more out of AI images now.

Also, some traditional artists unironically regress. I won't call any names, but if AI kicks them in the butt, i see no downsides.
I've been subbed to Patreons of a few who literally started using gradient bucket tool to color their characters, and overall quality went down the drain.
Maybe competition from AI will get them back on track to improve. Or maybe they'll just spend their free time harassing AI-posters.

Sums things up pretty well. Add to this that sometimes it's hard to explain a concept and refine it one commission at a time with different results every time even with the same artist. What should be simple such as how the tail attaches to the body, or leg structure has been an incredible challenge. So is movement and pose. I'm seeing a lot of the models produce the same poor anatomy and results. I'm guessing they are trained only on a limited dataset. I like NovelAI because it seems to have a much broader training set and I find it produces better anatomy overall. Though it's like wrangling a horse, and it can't seem to get some things right such as eyes, fingers, and toes. I've been seeing a huge uptick in folks over the last few years who just want to take your money and kick out a mediocre product. It really comes down to their interest and how they are feeling that day. A lot of them have produced really amazing work, but it's pretty hit and miss in the commission line. I still prefer real artist overall because I really love seeing what people can come up with, and when they get it it can be absolutely amazing. AI is just going to use statistics to create an approximation to a concept based on a limited perspective. A real person can go well beyond that, so I don't think they will be getting replaced anytime soon. The good ones anyways. I suspect we'll see new tools get developed that enable them rather than replace them, which will be awesome. More of a new art media than a full replacement. Art has seen a lot of that over the years.

Figured it was worth adding you're seeing species here in quantity that aren't drawn very often. Like cougars and otters. More of the ninches not being filled by the majority of artists. I'm loving what some people come up with here. cough cough oaf40 cough halfcerberus gren_art etc.

AI is gonna replace each and every one sooner or later. And then Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos own the world without further need for minimum wage minions.
The whole concept of money will eventually have to be revised anyway, when there is little to no more need for manual labor and employment - not tomorrow, but "eventually".

That said, I am grateful for all the furry stuff that artists have created, especially now that AI is getting trained on it.
Honestly, I rarely find something I really like among all the furry art, drawn or generated, unless I made/directed it myself.
I basically just check for new Ruaidri or Tom Fischbach uploads these days every now and then.

It will happen to all "art". I don't know when, but eventually AI will be able to personalize stories, movies, games/VR to everyone's individual desires, not just for the profitable mainstream market.
So, there's that...

Going back to my personal, interactive furry chatbot text adventure now. It's still massively flawed, but give it a few more years...