Topic: Discussion on Franchise/Copyright tag usage

flowersylveon said:
And lots of people's opinions about the usage of Franchise if it should be copied as it is on e621 making a parellel to how its and has been used and making it easier for other folks who are already familiar with e621 tagging system and aliases/implications

Sorry, but who exactly do you include when you are mentioning that "And lots of people's opinions about the usage of Franchise" wants to have the old e621 copyright system back? Did they make their opinion known on this forum? On the Discord? In private message? How many? Why don't you let them express themselves rather than making it feel like there's already a consensus on the matter before even beginning the conversation. Your opening statement already has a heavy bias towards your own personal opinion. From my point of view, only you here care enough to mass update the current implication chain to force-include all the copyright tags back which all the wikis' info are currently missing.

flowersylveon said:
Or to change the meaning and usage as copyright tag has been initially nuked when this website project for ai sided content allowance started and had to be built up from the ground again with the reintroduction of its usage and being renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems

From my understanding, the meaning right now is that the new "purple category" wasn't renamed from "copyright" to "franchise" just to have it be treated exactly like the copyright category tag from e621. Because it starts to lose its usefulness when there's 5+ copyright tags in the special category and you can't even figure out which is an actual franchise, or more specific series (game name), internet meme, product brand, specific console, folklore or historical references, holiday... Everything is shoved in there and being given special meaning and any of these could be contested of its use depending on the interpretation of if it "look enough like the real brand" to be tagged as such.

Using forced copyright tags for artists makes sense because you know that most of these artist spend their own personal time getting actual reference material themselves from online photos or from IRL prompts to give it a fair chance to make it look similar to what they see using their own drawing skills. The use of copyrighted references which they do not own the rights to to take inspiration makes for a valid argument that you should specify for legal reasons that you're not trying to claim a copyrighted character to be your own original design instead, and then make money from it by selling your art.

Now in the case of ai art, I don't think that typing a couple of words in a prompt box and hoping that the AI will either use some related reference or not would be considered any considerable effort from the director's part to then impose a copyright tag on their gens through the implication chain when they upload what they claim. AI models are essentially a black box; there is no way to monitor its exact process (which references did it use from its database) to produce the final image. Arguably, those effort genners that goes through this process multiple times, through various AI techniques (inpainting, img2img, upscaling, manual editing, etc.) would put substantial effort to for example, make a character look exactly like it's supposed to look, would be justified to put a copyright tag because the AI or the director most likely used actual references to produce the final piece. And they would be encouraged to use copyright tags on their own gens if they wish to. Not being forced to; but because they know in the process that they've spend the effort to use outside reference material.

I will agree though that for holiday tags, I'm in favor of keeping those in the franchise category, as they are both useful for narrowing down the content you want for searching and it is also a useful tag to use as prompt for generating AI content. Also it respect the "Tag What You See" policy in the majority of cases.

...with the reintroduction of its usage and being renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems

Another exaggeration. That's not what happened. The new "franchise" nor the old "copyright" category tag hasn't existed for over 2 years on e6ai now until it was reintroduced back in December 2024. So it wasn't ever "renamed to franchise tag to avoid legal problems", it wasn't implemented in the code itself because there was simply no use nor near enough specific cases for them to justify the need for special tags at the time. Just because it's "like that on e621" should not be used an an argument because it is not valid. It's irrelevant. They are two different sites, with two different purposes.

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